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Yes, I cant quite see on what ground we should prefer either party in 
this... dispute. I dont see that much wrong with what they put on their 
website either. The tone of voice on the website seems to be of a 
slightly authoritative & underdeveloped bent, but well, that's no reason 
to dismiss them.

You know, the great thing about the internet is the way it forces 
evolution. Everyone can make alternatives, and the best (or at least 
most convenient) alternatives get most popular and thus life to survive 
and fork themselves again. Rather than trying to mow down the 
alternatives with (international) force over some petty, trivial 
ideological differences, you should strive to be a better party than 
they are. This way the party that eventually survives is the strongest.

Moreover, when you and they try to do this, you can learn from one 
another's mistakes rather than be at each others throats because you 
rather get fucked over by socialists than capitalists. In the larger 
scheme, it's getting fucked over that's bothersome, not so much who is 
doing it - and there is very little ideology has to do with that 
situation safe as apology. That situation exists because people lack the 
power to do much about their day-to-day lives, being caught in a 
societal web which is too vast to alter easily, and on which they 
none-the-less depend. And to top that off you get distracted with 
bullshit like ideology and pointless squabbles with one another. No 
wonder they forked.

mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se schreef op 21.12.2012 14:11:
> There is nothing inherently left-wing with the pirate movement. If
> there is a center-right pirate group in italy and they adhere to the
> pirate values of privacy, transparancy and intellectual property
> reform I see no problem with welcoming them into the pirate family.
> Regardless of whatever background people who support the project may
> have.
>
> As you describe them as a group of members of the italian pirate
> party who´ve chosen to fork into a separate party it seems clear that
> it is not an outside attempt to missuse the name for something that 
> is
> not pirate politics and it would thus be incredibly wrong for other
> pirate parties to take sides on this. It is an internal italian
> problem. Please solve it among yourselves.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mattias Bjärnemalm
>
> On 2012-12-21 13:20, Paolo (pp-it) wrote:
>> There's a group of members of the Italian Pirate Party which
>> has chosen to split and launch its own center-right formation
>> for the coming elections in February. It has the support of
>> Mr Scilipoti, one of those politicians who helped the Berlusconi
>> government survive, over a year ago.
>>
>> It would be useful for us if the international Pirate movement
>> where to point out does not support this group and reaffirm its
>> support for the Italian Pirate Party.
>>
>> The values of the right cannot be ours, the values of the rights
>> cannot be of those who fight for liberty, integration, the dignity
>> of the people and the end of censorship.
>>
>> The choices of the PP-IT that we share are different. We pick
>> the occasion to express our support to the Pirate candidate for
>> mayor of the city of Rome, Josef 'JoJo' Yemane.
>> -
>> Paolo CocuRoccia - Press Office PP-IT
>> Marco Confalonieri - International coordinator - PP-IT
>> Carlo Von Loesch - PP-DE
>> Alessandra Minoni - Alternate Board - PP-INT
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