[pp.int.general] International PP Press Service

Sat Jan 14 16:22:06 CET 2012

I think the suggested idea of a regular newsletter covering the progress and challenges of different pirate parties worldwide is a great one. As I'm working in the EU Parliament with Amelia Andersdotter I can see how such a thing would benefit us in our work. I would also suggest having a separate part about the progress here in eu parl as we here in Brussels are a quite separated entity from the rest of the Swedish pp.

I would also advice against putting the project under ppi-flag or sponsorship as that might discourage pirate parties that have chosen to be outside of the ppi from contributing to the newsletter.

/Mab

Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch> skrev:

I certainly would love to see it brought to the next level.
Just for short: in case anyone is willing to come forth with a
proposal and would like to have some sort of "official" support,
you're always welcome to bring it to the PPI board meeting (mail to
board[at]pp-international.net) which is taking place every 2nd Tuesday
(next one: 17th January 19:00 CET on mumble
mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de in room "/international/pirate parties
international/board meeting"). But please formulate it in a clear and
concise way which allows the PPI board to take a decision or at least
express a clear opinion; i.e. we can't force PPI members to do
anything; but
* we can appoint pirates into positions in PPI,
* we can provide a limited amount of technical infrastructure and
* we can publish common statements in the name of PPI (*)

-pat

(*) that is, if they're clearly a pirate movement topic; i.e. we would
hardly hesitate to publish sth about copyright; but probably not so
about basic income or similar, if it's written in a way that could be
interpreted as if this has been established as a common pirate
movement topic; not that I'm a really fierce critic of the basic
income ideal, but I think you get the idea why it would be politically
absolutely not feasible for PPI to publish or do anything in that
direction.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
> Moin, thanks for your input.
>
> I think it would be better to have a person be responsible for it, (and
> given that person the ability to recruit more people) than one pirate party
> and rotating it every time. If you did not want another person to learn
> everything again every 2 weeks you'd need to compile some basic information
> in a wiki anyways, and if you rotate it you either need volunteers or need
> to force PPs to do it, so I don't see that system working too well. In light
> of that I thought that starting monthly may be better than biweekly, but if
> the team is big enough, or the PPs volunteer enough information I don't see
> a problem with moving it to biweekly from the start. I also think that the
> growth potential is bigger if you have a team doing it a bit more
> independently from other duties they may have in their PP, like other
> translating the whole thing or putting forward a podcast.
> Also, I doubt that some smaller parties can fill an A4 every fortnight with
> news, while I have no doubt Sweden or Germany could fill 10 A4s each.
>
> If I were to organize it I would try to just email every PP (I guess
> updating a list of email addresses of the persons responsible for that alone
> would be quite a task every month) reminding them that they could volunteer
> a story or an update for every 'issue' (for want of a better word), and then
> compile that. But you could also do interviews, or feature how-tos.
>
> In short, I think if we do it as Mozart describes it is too dependent on
> parties volunteering and lacks a responsible person, and is quite limited in
> its growth potential. As a kind of distant goal I could see a new
> organization like Flaschenpost does it in Germany, but for what is going on
> in each and every PP. I do think we have the skills and the manpower for
> that.
>
> We are quite good with translating videos and documents that are motivating
> or good baseworks for ideological development, and we are very good with
> spreading information on things that are relevant internationally (and a lot
> of the things we are fighting for/against are). Let's try to get it to the
> next level and create a feeling of belonging together!
>
> Justus
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch>
> wrote:
>>
>> ack; you're probably right with that
>> hardly anyone is willing do that work more than once if it would be
>> just for the sake of being troll-ish or similar
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Mozart
>> <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>> > I don't think it has to be that complicated and official. It's merely
>> > just a
>> > heads up to each party that says "this is what we're up to." Probably
>> > the
>> > press officer would take responsibility (or the party could just
>> > delegate
>> > one person to do the write up for that fortnight). Are Pirate Parties
>> > worldwide that childish as to have big disagreements over what is
>> > essentially an internal bulletin? All parties can volunteer: it's not
>> > like
>> > anything is gained from doing it except extra work. The individual
>> > parties
>> > would be responsible for deciding who did the writing or compiling (or
>> > even
>> > individuals could just say "yeah, I'll do it." As I said, there's no
>> > gain to
>> > be got.
>> >
>> > - Mozart.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14/01/2012, at 9:29 PM, Pat Mächler wrote:
>> >
>> > So you would rather opt for a maximum participation-no safeguard
>> > solution?
>> > Not that I would fight that; I just ask; of course one also has to
>> > accept the possible problems that may come with it.
>> >
>> > Possible safeguards which I did consider
>> > 1) a fixed set of parties that are eligible to volunteer or
>> > 2) people (i.e. press officers) that are officially appointed by
>> > national parties or
>> > 3) someone that is coordinating the whole process overall (e.g.
>> > appointed by PPI GA or board).
>> >
>> > -pat
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Mozart
>> > <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>> >
>> > Why not a fortnightly publication with a half an A4 page of information
>> > from
>> >
>> > each Pirate Party? Each fortnight a party could volunteer to format,
>> > edit
>> >
>> > and compile it as a PDF and maybe it could be hosted on PPI or
>> > something? It
>> >
>> > wouldn't be an "official publication," more an internal update, so it
>> >
>> > wouldn't need to be too formal and professional. As long as it was neat.
>> >
>> >
>> > – Mozart (PPAU)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14/01/2012, at 11:01 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Ahoi Pirates
>> >
>> >
>> > I'll try to take this into my hands after my thesis, so I might as well
>> >
>> > start the brainstorming now.
>> >
>> >
>> > As written in the other mail (on PPDE reaching 20k+ members) it might be
>> > a
>> >
>> > good idea to start an information service about what is going on in the
>> >
>> > world of the pirate parties. I see this as a way of facilitating news
>> > across
>> >
>> > language barriers (where they seem to stop way too often nowadays) about
>> >
>> > what is going on in each and every pirate party, a way for know-how to
>> > get
>> >
>> > dispersed, to invite to assemblies and meetings and the likes. The idea
>> > is
>> >
>> > basically to strengthen the feeling that the pirate party movement is an
>> >
>> > international community, and can then maybe grow to be more than the
>> > sums of
>> >
>> > it's part. In light of a European election coming up in 2014 that may be
>> > a
>> >
>> > good idea.
>> >
>> >
>> > I am thinking of a newsletter written monthly for now in the PPI list,
>> > and
>> >
>> > maybe published on a blog (or the PPI website if it is deemed important
>> >
>> > enough), giving information on day to day political work of different
>> > pirate
>> >
>> > parties, from a local council in some backwater town in Germany to the
>> >
>> > struggles of pirate parties in Russia, Slowenia, Brazil, Ohio or Marocco
>> > to
>> >
>> > get registered as a nation-/statewide party. At the moment it is quite
>> > hard
>> >
>> > to come by information about what is going on in the different national
>> >
>> > parties if you don't speak the language, and the idea is to provide a
>> > place
>> >
>> > where that is happening in English.
>> >
>> >
>> > Once that is running and we have a few contributors actively fanning out
>> >
>> > through the Internetz to get information on the different parties, and
>> >
>> > people like it well enough, we could go to publishing more frequently,
>> >
>> > translating into other languages, maybe even hosting a podcast, and the
>> >
>> > likes, but that's for the future to see. I think a newsletter every
>> > month
>> >
>> > with stories from 5 to 8 pirate parties is doable.
>> >
>> >
>> > I do like the name 'Message in a Bottle' the German PP-affiliated news
>> >
>> > service has, in English it sounds even better imo. So that would be my
>> > idea
>> >
>> > for a name, but I am up for other ideas. When I get bored over my thesis
>> >
>> > over the following weeks I'll try to spread the information a bit
>> > further.
>> >
>> > For now I am interested in your input.
>> >
>> >
>> > So to summarize: What do you think about the idea of having a newsletter
>> >
>> > (that may grow into a news service with blog and so on) in English about
>> >
>> > what is going on in the different pirate parties. Do you think this is a
>> >
>> > good tool to foster something like an international community, to
>> > support
>> >
>> > PPI and PWB so to say? Would you be willing to maybe come up with an
>> > article
>> >
>> > every other month to help the service about what is going on in your PP?
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Justus
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > Mozart Palmer
>> >
>> > Head of Media Relations
>> >
>> > Pirate Party Australia
>> >
>> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>> > Head of Media Relations
>> > Pirate Party Australia
>> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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