[pp.int.general] International PP Press Service

Sat Jan 14 17:32:56 CET 2012

Hasn't some one already tried to do this?
http://changingpirateparties.net/

https://twitter.com/#!/ppnewsletter

The twitter is alive, but no emails for a while now (they were got when i
got them).

The idea is good, but it requires less of "it should be done" and more of
"I'll do it, anyone wanna help?".

The best way of doing this would be if a few people got together and sent
an email every month to all parties (and cultivate a relationship with
a contact in each party) and ask them for an update, not a press relies,
but an internal update (big, big difference). This group would that compile
everything and publish.

If i am contacted i am more than willing to write up a summary each month,
so are most if not all parties, but you will have to contact them each
month and ask. It will take months, even years to cultivate a net that
would produce information by itself.

Good luck.

Lp
Rok Andrée
Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party

On 14 January 2012 17:19, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:

> @ Mattias: Why exactly do you think using PPI infrastructure would prevent
> parties not happy with PPI from working with that. I would think that as
> long as the redaction is voluntary and not too connected to PPI that should
> be enough, shouldn't it? Or do you have the feeling of mistrust towards
> everybody involved at PPI is so big at those parties?
>
> @ Georg: While I laud your efforts, and it is a very similar goal, I think
> that is going into a different direction than the original idea on how to
> achieve that goal.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Georg Sinn <
> georg.sinn at pirates-without-borders.org> wrote:
>
>> Ahoy,
>>
>> since I am still busy traveling just a short notice from my side:
>>
>> On our recently introduced redmine at Pirates Without Borders we created
>> a "Project Alexandria"  with the idea to collect interesting publications
>> like documents, pictures and videos and to provide a platform for
>> translations of this material (from native language to english and vice
>> versa).
>>
>> I also really like the idea of Pirate media websites like
>> http://piratemedia.ru/ or the recently started
>> http://www.piraten-media.de/ where publications have a place to be
>> presented all together.
>>
>> So maybe a website (with a URI not necessarily affiliated to PPI) could
>> provide such a place to publish english (translated) media from every
>> corner of the world. If it is available something like piratemedia.orgor .net may be most suitable.
>>
>> To bring this to next stage I invite everybody interested in the
>> publication of international Pirate material to register for an account and
>> to join this project (to do so please let me know your username via mail or
>> just add a new issue with access request):
>> http://projects.pirates-without-borders.org/projects/media
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Georg
>>
>> Am 14.01.2012 um 16:22 schrieb Mattias Bjärnemalm:
>>
>> I think the suggested idea of a regular newsletter covering the progress
>> and challenges of different pirate parties worldwide is a great one. As I'm
>> working in the EU Parliament with Amelia Andersdotter I can see how such a
>> thing would benefit us in our work. I would also suggest having a separate
>> part about the progress here in eu parl as we here in Brussels are a quite
>> separated entity from the rest of the Swedish pp.
>>
>> I would also advice against putting the project under ppi-flag or
>> sponsorship as that might discourage pirate parties that have chosen to be
>> outside of the ppi from contributing to the newsletter.
>>
>> /Mab
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch> skrev:
>>
>>
>> I certainly would love to see it brought to the next level.
>> Just for short: in case anyone is willing to come forth with a
>> proposal and would like to have some sort of "official" support,
>> you're always welcome to bring it to the PPI board meeting (mail to
>> board[at]pp-international.net) which is taking place every 2nd Tuesday
>> (next one: 17th January 19:00 CET on mumble
>> mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de in room "/international/pirate parties
>> international/board meeting"). But please formulate it in a clear and
>> concise way which allows the PPI board to take a decision or at least
>> express a clear opinion; i.e. we can't force PPI members to do
>> anything; but
>> * we can appoint pirates into positions in PPI,
>> * we can provide a limited amount of technical infrastructure and
>> * we can publish common statements in the name of PPI (*)
>>
>> -pat
>>
>> (*) that is, if they're clearly a pirate movement topic; i.e. we would
>> hardly hesitate to publish sth about copyright; but probably not so
>> about basic income or similar, if it's written in a way that could be
>> interpreted as if this has been established as a common pirate
>> movement topic; not that I'm a really fierce critic of the basic
>> income ideal, but I think you get the idea why it would be politically
>> absolutely not feasible for PPI to publish or do anything in that
>> direction.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>> > Moin, thanks for your input.
>> >
>> > I think it would be better to have a person be responsible for it, (and
>> > given that person the ability to recruit more people) than one pirate
>> party
>> > and rotating it every time. If you did not want another person to learn
>> > everything again every 2 weeks you'd need to compile some basic
>> information
>> > in a wiki anyways, and if you rotate it you either need volunteers or
>> need
>> > to force PPs to do it, so I don't see that system working too well. In
>> light
>> > of that I thought that starting monthly may be better than biweekly,
>> but if
>> > the team is big enough, or the PPs volunteer enough information I don't
>> see
>> > a problem with moving it to biweekly from the start. I also think that
>> the
>> > growth potential is bigger if you have a team doing it a bit more
>> > independently from other duties they may have in their PP, like other
>> > translating the whole thing or putting forward a podcast.
>> > Also, I doubt that some smaller parties can fill an A4 every fortnight
>> with
>> > news, while I have no doubt Sweden or Germany could fill 10 A4s each.
>> >
>> > If I were to organize it I would try to just email every PP (I guess
>> > updating a list of email addresses of the persons responsible for that
>> alone
>> > would be quite a task every month) reminding them that they could
>> volunteer
>> > a story or an update for every 'issue' (for want of a better word), and
>> then
>> > compile that. But you could also do interviews, or feature how-tos.
>> >
>> > In short, I think if we do it as Mozart describes it is too dependent on
>> > parties volunteering and lacks a responsible person, and is quite
>> limited in
>> > its growth potential. As a kind of distant goal I could see a new
>> > organization like Flaschenpost does it in Germany, but for what is
>> going on
>> > in each and every PP. I do think we have the skills and the manpower for
>> > that.
>> >
>> > We are quite good with translating videos and documents that are
>> motivating
>> > or good baseworks for ideological development, and we are very good with
>> > spreading information on things that are relevant internationally (and
>> a lot
>> > of the things we are fighting for/against are). Let's try to get it to
>> the
>> > next level and create a feeling of belonging together!
>> >
>> > Justus
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <
>> pirate at valio.ch>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ack; you're probably right with that
>> >> hardly anyone is willing do that work more than once if it would be
>> >> just for the sake of being troll-ish or similar
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Mozart
>> >> <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>> >> > I don't think it has to be that complicated and official. It's merely
>> >> > just a
>> >> > heads up to each party that says "this is what we're up to." Probably
>> >> > the
>> >> > press officer would take responsibility (or the party could just
>> >> > delegate
>> >> > one person to do the write up for that fortnight). Are Pirate Parties
>> >> > worldwide that childish as to have big disagreements over what is
>> >> > essentially an internal bulletin? All parties can volunteer: it's not
>> >> > like
>> >> > anything is gained from doing it except extra work. The individual
>> >> > parties
>> >> > would be responsible for deciding who did the writing or compiling
>> (or
>> >> > even
>> >> > individuals could just say "yeah, I'll do it." As I said, there's no
>> >> > gain to
>> >> > be got.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Mozart.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 14/01/2012, at 9:29 PM, Pat Mächler wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > So you would rather opt for a maximum participation-no safeguard
>> >> > solution?
>> >> > Not that I would fight that; I just ask; of course one also has to
>> >> > accept the possible problems that may come with it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Possible safeguards which I did consider
>> >> > 1) a fixed set of parties that are eligible to volunteer or
>> >> > 2) people (i.e. press officers) that are officially appointed by
>> >> > national parties or
>> >> > 3) someone that is coordinating the whole process overall (e.g.
>> >> > appointed by PPI GA or board).
>> >> >
>> >> > -pat
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Mozart
>> >> > <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Why not a fortnightly publication with a half an A4 page of
>> information
>> >> > from
>> >> >
>> >> > each Pirate Party? Each fortnight a party could volunteer to format,
>> >> > edit
>> >> >
>> >> > and compile it as a PDF and maybe it could be hosted on PPI or
>> >> > something? It
>> >> >
>> >> > wouldn't be an "official publication," more an internal update, so it
>> >> >
>> >> > wouldn't need to be too formal and professional. As long as it was
>> neat.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > – Mozart (PPAU)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 14/01/2012, at 11:01 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ahoi Pirates
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll try to take this into my hands after my thesis, so I might as
>> well
>> >> >
>> >> > start the brainstorming now.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > As written in the other mail (on PPDE reaching 20k+ members) it
>> might be
>> >> > a
>> >> >
>> >> > good idea to start an information service about what is going on in
>> the
>> >> >
>> >> > world of the pirate parties. I see this as a way of facilitating news
>> >> > across
>> >> >
>> >> > language barriers (where they seem to stop way too often nowadays)
>> about
>> >> >
>> >> > what is going on in each and every pirate party, a way for know-how
>> to
>> >> > get
>> >> >
>> >> > dispersed, to invite to assemblies and meetings and the likes. The
>> idea
>> >> > is
>> >> >
>> >> > basically to strengthen the feeling that the pirate party movement
>> is an
>> >> >
>> >> > international community, and can then maybe grow to be more than the
>> >> > sums of
>> >> >
>> >> > it's part. In light of a European election coming up in 2014 that
>> may be
>> >> > a
>> >> >
>> >> > good idea.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I am thinking of a newsletter written monthly for now in the PPI
>> list,
>> >> > and
>> >> >
>> >> > maybe published on a blog (or the PPI website if it is deemed
>> important
>> >> >
>> >> > enough), giving information on day to day political work of different
>> >> > pirate
>> >> >
>> >> > parties, from a local council in some backwater town in Germany to
>> the
>> >> >
>> >> > struggles of pirate parties in Russia, Slowenia, Brazil, Ohio or
>> Marocco
>> >> > to
>> >> >
>> >> > get registered as a nation-/statewide party. At the moment it is
>> quite
>> >> > hard
>> >> >
>> >> > to come by information about what is going on in the different
>> national
>> >> >
>> >> > parties if you don't speak the language, and the idea is to provide a
>> >> > place
>> >> >
>> >> > where that is happening in English.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Once that is running and we have a few contributors actively fanning
>> out
>> >> >
>> >> > through the Internetz to get information on the different parties,
>> and
>> >> >
>> >> > people like it well enough, we could go to publishing more
>> frequently,
>> >> >
>> >> > translating into other languages, maybe even hosting a podcast, and
>> the
>> >> >
>> >> > likes, but that's for the future to see. I think a newsletter every
>> >> > month
>> >> >
>> >> > with stories from 5 to 8 pirate parties is doable.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I do like the name 'Message in a Bottle' the German PP-affiliated
>> news
>> >> >
>> >> > service has, in English it sounds even better imo. So that would be
>> my
>> >> > idea
>> >> >
>> >> > for a name, but I am up for other ideas. When I get bored over my
>> thesis
>> >> >
>> >> > over the following weeks I'll try to spread the information a bit
>> >> > further.
>> >> >
>> >> > For now I am interested in your input.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > So to summarize: What do you think about the idea of having a
>> newsletter
>> >> >
>> >> > (that may grow into a news service with blog and so on) in English
>> about
>> >> >
>> >> > what is going on in the different pirate parties. Do you think this
>> is a
>> >> >
>> >> > good tool to foster something like an international community, to
>> >> > support
>> >> >
>> >> > PPI and PWB so to say? Would you be willing to maybe come up with an
>> >> > article
>> >> >
>> >> > every other month to help the service about what is going on in your
>> PP?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> >
>> >> > Justus
>> >> >
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>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >
>> >> > Mozart Palmer
>> >> >
>> >> > Head of Media Relations
>> >> >
>> >> > Pirate Party Australia
>> >> >
>> >> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>> >> >
>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>> >> > Head of Media Relations
>> >> > Pirate Party Australia
>> >> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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