[pp.int.general] International PP Press Service

Sat Jan 14 17:44:55 CET 2012

I am essentially doing that, in case you did not notice. But before saying
'my way or the high way' I wanted to collect a few opinions, and give other
people the chance to volunteer if they felt like it.

2012/1/14 Rok Andrée <rok.andree at piratskastranka.net>

> Hasn't some one already tried to do this?
> http://changingpirateparties.net/
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/ppnewsletter
>
> The twitter is alive, but no emails for a while now (they were got when i
> got them).
>
> The idea is good, but it requires less of "it should be done" and more of
> "I'll do it, anyone wanna help?".
>
> The best way of doing this would be if a few people got together and sent
> an email every month to all parties (and cultivate a relationship with
> a contact in each party) and ask them for an update, not a press relies,
> but an internal update (big, big difference). This group would that compile
> everything and publish.
>
> If i am contacted i am more than willing to write up a summary each month,
> so are most if not all parties, but you will have to contact them each
> month and ask. It will take months, even years to cultivate a net that
> would produce information by itself.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Lp
> Rok Andrée
> Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party
>
>
>
> On 14 January 2012 17:19, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>
>> @ Mattias: Why exactly do you think using PPI infrastructure would
>> prevent parties not happy with PPI from working with that. I would think
>> that as long as the redaction is voluntary and not too connected to PPI
>> that should be enough, shouldn't it? Or do you have the feeling of mistrust
>> towards everybody involved at PPI is so big at those parties?
>>
>> @ Georg: While I laud your efforts, and it is a very similar goal, I
>> think that is going into a different direction than the original idea on
>> how to achieve that goal.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Georg Sinn <
>> georg.sinn at pirates-without-borders.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahoy,
>>>
>>> since I am still busy traveling just a short notice from my side:
>>>
>>> On our recently introduced redmine at Pirates Without Borders we created
>>> a "Project Alexandria"  with the idea to collect interesting publications
>>> like documents, pictures and videos and to provide a platform for
>>> translations of this material (from native language to english and vice
>>> versa).
>>>
>>> I also really like the idea of Pirate media websites like
>>> http://piratemedia.ru/ or the recently started
>>> http://www.piraten-media.de/ where publications have a place to be
>>> presented all together.
>>>
>>> So maybe a website (with a URI not necessarily affiliated to PPI) could
>>> provide such a place to publish english (translated) media from every
>>> corner of the world. If it is available something like piratemedia.orgor .net may be most suitable.
>>>
>>> To bring this to next stage I invite everybody interested in the
>>> publication of international Pirate material to register for an account and
>>> to join this project (to do so please let me know your username via mail or
>>> just add a new issue with access request):
>>> http://projects.pirates-without-borders.org/projects/media
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Georg
>>>
>>> Am 14.01.2012 um 16:22 schrieb Mattias Bjärnemalm:
>>>
>>> I think the suggested idea of a regular newsletter covering the progress
>>> and challenges of different pirate parties worldwide is a great one. As I'm
>>> working in the EU Parliament with Amelia Andersdotter I can see how such a
>>> thing would benefit us in our work. I would also suggest having a separate
>>> part about the progress here in eu parl as we here in Brussels are a quite
>>> separated entity from the rest of the Swedish pp.
>>>
>>> I would also advice against putting the project under ppi-flag or
>>> sponsorship as that might discourage pirate parties that have chosen to be
>>> outside of the ppi from contributing to the newsletter.
>>>
>>> /Mab
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch> skrev:
>>>
>>>
>>> I certainly would love to see it brought to the next level.
>>> Just for short: in case anyone is willing to come forth with a
>>> proposal and would like to have some sort of "official" support,
>>> you're always welcome to bring it to the PPI board meeting (mail to
>>> board[at]pp-international.net) which is taking place every 2nd Tuesday
>>> (next one: 17th January 19:00 CET on mumble
>>> mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de in room "/international/pirate parties
>>> international/board meeting"). But please formulate it in a clear and
>>> concise way which allows the PPI board to take a decision or at least
>>> express a clear opinion; i.e. we can't force PPI members to do
>>> anything; but
>>> * we can appoint pirates into positions in PPI,
>>> * we can provide a limited amount of technical infrastructure and
>>> * we can publish common statements in the name of PPI (*)
>>>
>>> -pat
>>>
>>> (*) that is, if they're clearly a pirate movement topic; i.e. we would
>>> hardly hesitate to publish sth about copyright; but probably not so
>>> about basic income or similar, if it's written in a way that could be
>>> interpreted as if this has been established as a common pirate
>>> movement topic; not that I'm a really fierce critic of the basic
>>> income ideal, but I think you get the idea why it would be politically
>>> absolutely not feasible for PPI to publish or do anything in that
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>>> > Moin, thanks for your input.
>>> >
>>> > I think it would be better to have a person be responsible for it, (and
>>> > given that person the ability to recruit more people) than one pirate
>>> party
>>> > and rotating it every time. If you did not want another person to learn
>>> > everything again every 2 weeks you'd need to compile some basic
>>> information
>>> > in a wiki anyways, and if you rotate it you either need volunteers or
>>> need
>>> > to force PPs to do it, so I don't see that system working too well. In
>>> light
>>> > of that I thought that starting monthly may be better than biweekly,
>>> but if
>>> > the team is big enough, or the PPs volunteer enough information I
>>> don't see
>>> > a problem with moving it to biweekly from the start. I also think that
>>> the
>>> > growth potential is bigger if you have a team doing it a bit more
>>> > independently from other duties they may have in their PP, like other
>>> > translating the whole thing or putting forward a podcast.
>>> > Also, I doubt that some smaller parties can fill an A4 every fortnight
>>> with
>>> > news, while I have no doubt Sweden or Germany could fill 10 A4s each.
>>> >
>>> > If I were to organize it I would try to just email every PP (I guess
>>> > updating a list of email addresses of the persons responsible for that
>>> alone
>>> > would be quite a task every month) reminding them that they could
>>> volunteer
>>> > a story or an update for every 'issue' (for want of a better word),
>>> and then
>>> > compile that. But you could also do interviews, or feature how-tos.
>>> >
>>> > In short, I think if we do it as Mozart describes it is too dependent
>>> on
>>> > parties volunteering and lacks a responsible person, and is quite
>>> limited in
>>> > its growth potential. As a kind of distant goal I could see a new
>>> > organization like Flaschenpost does it in Germany, but for what is
>>> going on
>>> > in each and every PP. I do think we have the skills and the manpower
>>> for
>>> > that.
>>> >
>>> > We are quite good with translating videos and documents that are
>>> motivating
>>> > or good baseworks for ideological development, and we are very good
>>> with
>>> > spreading information on things that are relevant internationally (and
>>> a lot
>>> > of the things we are fighting for/against are). Let's try to get it to
>>> the
>>> > next level and create a feeling of belonging together!
>>> >
>>> > Justus
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <
>>> pirate at valio.ch>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ack; you're probably right with that
>>> >> hardly anyone is willing do that work more than once if it would be
>>> >> just for the sake of being troll-ish or similar
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Mozart
>>> >> <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>>> >> > I don't think it has to be that complicated and official. It's
>>> merely
>>> >> > just a
>>> >> > heads up to each party that says "this is what we're up to."
>>> Probably
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > press officer would take responsibility (or the party could just
>>> >> > delegate
>>> >> > one person to do the write up for that fortnight). Are Pirate
>>> Parties
>>> >> > worldwide that childish as to have big disagreements over what is
>>> >> > essentially an internal bulletin? All parties can volunteer: it's
>>> not
>>> >> > like
>>> >> > anything is gained from doing it except extra work. The individual
>>> >> > parties
>>> >> > would be responsible for deciding who did the writing or compiling
>>> (or
>>> >> > even
>>> >> > individuals could just say "yeah, I'll do it." As I said, there's no
>>> >> > gain to
>>> >> > be got.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > - Mozart.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 14/01/2012, at 9:29 PM, Pat Mächler wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So you would rather opt for a maximum participation-no safeguard
>>> >> > solution?
>>> >> > Not that I would fight that; I just ask; of course one also has to
>>> >> > accept the possible problems that may come with it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Possible safeguards which I did consider
>>> >> > 1) a fixed set of parties that are eligible to volunteer or
>>> >> > 2) people (i.e. press officers) that are officially appointed by
>>> >> > national parties or
>>> >> > 3) someone that is coordinating the whole process overall (e.g.
>>> >> > appointed by PPI GA or board).
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -pat
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Mozart
>>> >> > <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Why not a fortnightly publication with a half an A4 page of
>>> information
>>> >> > from
>>> >> >
>>> >> > each Pirate Party? Each fortnight a party could volunteer to format,
>>> >> > edit
>>> >> >
>>> >> > and compile it as a PDF and maybe it could be hosted on PPI or
>>> >> > something? It
>>> >> >
>>> >> > wouldn't be an "official publication," more an internal update, so
>>> it
>>> >> >
>>> >> > wouldn't need to be too formal and professional. As long as it was
>>> neat.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > – Mozart (PPAU)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 14/01/2012, at 11:01 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ahoi Pirates
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'll try to take this into my hands after my thesis, so I might as
>>> well
>>> >> >
>>> >> > start the brainstorming now.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As written in the other mail (on PPDE reaching 20k+ members) it
>>> might be
>>> >> > a
>>> >> >
>>> >> > good idea to start an information service about what is going on in
>>> the
>>> >> >
>>> >> > world of the pirate parties. I see this as a way of facilitating
>>> news
>>> >> > across
>>> >> >
>>> >> > language barriers (where they seem to stop way too often nowadays)
>>> about
>>> >> >
>>> >> > what is going on in each and every pirate party, a way for know-how
>>> to
>>> >> > get
>>> >> >
>>> >> > dispersed, to invite to assemblies and meetings and the likes. The
>>> idea
>>> >> > is
>>> >> >
>>> >> > basically to strengthen the feeling that the pirate party movement
>>> is an
>>> >> >
>>> >> > international community, and can then maybe grow to be more than the
>>> >> > sums of
>>> >> >
>>> >> > it's part. In light of a European election coming up in 2014 that
>>> may be
>>> >> > a
>>> >> >
>>> >> > good idea.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I am thinking of a newsletter written monthly for now in the PPI
>>> list,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> >
>>> >> > maybe published on a blog (or the PPI website if it is deemed
>>> important
>>> >> >
>>> >> > enough), giving information on day to day political work of
>>> different
>>> >> > pirate
>>> >> >
>>> >> > parties, from a local council in some backwater town in Germany to
>>> the
>>> >> >
>>> >> > struggles of pirate parties in Russia, Slowenia, Brazil, Ohio or
>>> Marocco
>>> >> > to
>>> >> >
>>> >> > get registered as a nation-/statewide party. At the moment it is
>>> quite
>>> >> > hard
>>> >> >
>>> >> > to come by information about what is going on in the different
>>> national
>>> >> >
>>> >> > parties if you don't speak the language, and the idea is to provide
>>> a
>>> >> > place
>>> >> >
>>> >> > where that is happening in English.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Once that is running and we have a few contributors actively
>>> fanning out
>>> >> >
>>> >> > through the Internetz to get information on the different parties,
>>> and
>>> >> >
>>> >> > people like it well enough, we could go to publishing more
>>> frequently,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > translating into other languages, maybe even hosting a podcast, and
>>> the
>>> >> >
>>> >> > likes, but that's for the future to see. I think a newsletter every
>>> >> > month
>>> >> >
>>> >> > with stories from 5 to 8 pirate parties is doable.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I do like the name 'Message in a Bottle' the German PP-affiliated
>>> news
>>> >> >
>>> >> > service has, in English it sounds even better imo. So that would be
>>> my
>>> >> > idea
>>> >> >
>>> >> > for a name, but I am up for other ideas. When I get bored over my
>>> thesis
>>> >> >
>>> >> > over the following weeks I'll try to spread the information a bit
>>> >> > further.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > For now I am interested in your input.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So to summarize: What do you think about the idea of having a
>>> newsletter
>>> >> >
>>> >> > (that may grow into a news service with blog and so on) in English
>>> about
>>> >> >
>>> >> > what is going on in the different pirate parties. Do you think this
>>> is a
>>> >> >
>>> >> > good tool to foster something like an international community, to
>>> >> > support
>>> >> >
>>> >> > PPI and PWB so to say? Would you be willing to maybe come up with an
>>> >> > article
>>> >> >
>>> >> > every other month to help the service about what is going on in
>>> your PP?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cheers
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Justus
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> >> >
>>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mozart Palmer
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Head of Media Relations
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Pirate Party Australia
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> >> >
>>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> >> >
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >> > Mozart Palmer
>>> >> > Head of Media Relations
>>> >> > Pirate Party Australia
>>> >> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> >> >
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> >> >
>>> >> ____________________________________________________
>>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ____________________________________________________
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>>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> >
>>> ____________________________________________________
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>>> ____________________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>
>>>
>>
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