[pp.int.general] International PP Press Service

[Justus Römeth]

(oh and sorry for the spam, but I'd start working on it next month the
earliest, so if someone felt it was urgent and should be done sooner I
don't want to stand in the way of that neither).

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:

> I am essentially doing that, in case you did not notice. But before saying
> 'my way or the high way' I wanted to collect a few opinions, and give other
> people the chance to volunteer if they felt like it.
>
>
> 2012/1/14 Rok Andrée <rok.andree at piratskastranka.net>
>
>> Hasn't some one already tried to do this?
>> http://changingpirateparties.net/
>>
>> https://twitter.com/#!/ppnewsletter
>>
>> The twitter is alive, but no emails for a while now (they were got when i
>> got them).
>>
>> The idea is good, but it requires less of "it should be done" and more of
>> "I'll do it, anyone wanna help?".
>>
>> The best way of doing this would be if a few people got together and sent
>> an email every month to all parties (and cultivate a relationship with
>> a contact in each party) and ask them for an update, not a press relies,
>> but an internal update (big, big difference). This group would that compile
>> everything and publish.
>>
>> If i am contacted i am more than willing to write up a summary each
>> month, so are most if not all parties, but you will have to contact them
>> each month and ask. It will take months, even years to cultivate a net that
>> would produce information by itself.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Lp
>> Rok Andrée
>> Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 January 2012 17:19, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> @ Mattias: Why exactly do you think using PPI infrastructure would
>>> prevent parties not happy with PPI from working with that. I would think
>>> that as long as the redaction is voluntary and not too connected to PPI
>>> that should be enough, shouldn't it? Or do you have the feeling of mistrust
>>> towards everybody involved at PPI is so big at those parties?
>>>
>>> @ Georg: While I laud your efforts, and it is a very similar goal, I
>>> think that is going into a different direction than the original idea on
>>> how to achieve that goal.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Georg Sinn <
>>> georg.sinn at pirates-without-borders.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahoy,
>>>>
>>>> since I am still busy traveling just a short notice from my side:
>>>>
>>>> On our recently introduced redmine at Pirates Without Borders we
>>>> created a "Project Alexandria"  with the idea to collect interesting
>>>> publications like documents, pictures and videos and to provide a platform
>>>> for translations of this material (from native language to english and vice
>>>> versa).
>>>>
>>>> I also really like the idea of Pirate media websites like
>>>> http://piratemedia.ru/ or the recently started
>>>> http://www.piraten-media.de/ where publications have a place to be
>>>> presented all together.
>>>>
>>>> So maybe a website (with a URI not necessarily affiliated to PPI) could
>>>> provide such a place to publish english (translated) media from every
>>>> corner of the world. If it is available something like piratemedia.orgor .net may be most suitable.
>>>>
>>>> To bring this to next stage I invite everybody interested in the
>>>> publication of international Pirate material to register for an account and
>>>> to join this project (to do so please let me know your username via mail or
>>>> just add a new issue with access request):
>>>> http://projects.pirates-without-borders.org/projects/media
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Georg
>>>>
>>>> Am 14.01.2012 um 16:22 schrieb Mattias Bjärnemalm:
>>>>
>>>> I think the suggested idea of a regular newsletter covering the
>>>> progress and challenges of different pirate parties worldwide is a great
>>>> one. As I'm working in the EU Parliament with Amelia Andersdotter I can see
>>>> how such a thing would benefit us in our work. I would also suggest having
>>>> a separate part about the progress here in eu parl as we here in Brussels
>>>> are a quite separated entity from the rest of the Swedish pp.
>>>>
>>>> I would also advice against putting the project under ppi-flag or
>>>> sponsorship as that might discourage pirate parties that have chosen to be
>>>> outside of the ppi from contributing to the newsletter.
>>>>
>>>> /Mab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch> skrev:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I certainly would love to see it brought to the next level.
>>>> Just for short: in case anyone is willing to come forth with a
>>>> proposal and would like to have some sort of "official" support,
>>>> you're always welcome to bring it to the PPI board meeting (mail to
>>>> board[at]pp-international.net) which is taking place every 2nd Tuesday
>>>> (next one: 17th January 19:00 CET on mumble
>>>> mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de in room "/international/pirate parties
>>>> international/board meeting"). But please formulate it in a clear and
>>>> concise way which allows the PPI board to take a decision or at least
>>>> express a clear opinion; i.e. we can't force PPI members to do
>>>> anything; but
>>>> * we can appoint pirates into positions in PPI,
>>>> * we can provide a limited amount of technical infrastructure and
>>>> * we can publish common statements in the name of PPI (*)
>>>>
>>>> -pat
>>>>
>>>> (*) that is, if they're clearly a pirate movement topic; i.e. we would
>>>> hardly hesitate to publish sth about copyright; but probably not so
>>>> about basic income or similar, if it's written in a way that could be
>>>> interpreted as if this has been established as a common pirate
>>>> movement topic; not that I'm a really fierce critic of the basic
>>>> income ideal, but I think you get the idea why it would be politically
>>>> absolutely not feasible for PPI to publish or do anything in that
>>>> direction.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>>>> > Moin, thanks for your input.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think it would be better to have a person be responsible for it,
>>>> (and
>>>> > given that person the ability to recruit more people) than one pirate
>>>> party
>>>> > and rotating it every time. If you did not want another person to
>>>> learn
>>>> > everything again every 2 weeks you'd need to compile some basic
>>>> information
>>>> > in a wiki anyways, and if you rotate it you either need volunteers or
>>>> need
>>>> > to force PPs to do it, so I don't see that system working too well.
>>>> In light
>>>> > of that I thought that starting monthly may be better than biweekly,
>>>> but if
>>>> > the team is big enough, or the PPs volunteer enough information I
>>>> don't see
>>>> > a problem with moving it to biweekly from the start. I also think
>>>> that the
>>>> > growth potential is bigger if you have a team doing it a bit more
>>>> > independently from other duties they may have in their PP, like other
>>>> > translating the whole thing or putting forward a podcast.
>>>> > Also, I doubt that some smaller parties can fill an A4 every
>>>> fortnight with
>>>> > news, while I have no doubt Sweden or Germany could fill 10 A4s each.
>>>> >
>>>> > If I were to organize it I would try to just email every PP (I guess
>>>> > updating a list of email addresses of the persons responsible for
>>>> that alone
>>>> > would be quite a task every month) reminding them that they could
>>>> volunteer
>>>> > a story or an update for every 'issue' (for want of a better word),
>>>> and then
>>>> > compile that. But you could also do interviews, or feature how-tos.
>>>> >
>>>> > In short, I think if we do it as Mozart describes it is too dependent
>>>> on
>>>> > parties volunteering and lacks a responsible person, and is quite
>>>> limited in
>>>> > its growth potential. As a kind of distant goal I could see a new
>>>> > organization like Flaschenpost does it in Germany, but for what is
>>>> going on
>>>> > in each and every PP. I do think we have the skills and the manpower
>>>> for
>>>> > that.
>>>> >
>>>> > We are quite good with translating videos and documents that are
>>>> motivating
>>>> > or good baseworks for ideological development, and we are very good
>>>> with
>>>> > spreading information on things that are relevant internationally
>>>> (and a lot
>>>> > of the things we are fighting for/against are). Let's try to get it
>>>> to the
>>>> > next level and create a feeling of belonging together!
>>>> >
>>>> > Justus
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <
>>>> pirate at valio.ch>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ack; you're probably right with that
>>>> >> hardly anyone is willing do that work more than once if it would be
>>>> >> just for the sake of being troll-ish or similar
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Mozart
>>>> >> <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>>>> >> > I don't think it has to be that complicated and official. It's
>>>> merely
>>>> >> > just a
>>>> >> > heads up to each party that says "this is what we're up to."
>>>> Probably
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > press officer would take responsibility (or the party could just
>>>> >> > delegate
>>>> >> > one person to do the write up for that fortnight). Are Pirate
>>>> Parties
>>>> >> > worldwide that childish as to have big disagreements over what is
>>>> >> > essentially an internal bulletin? All parties can volunteer: it's
>>>> not
>>>> >> > like
>>>> >> > anything is gained from doing it except extra work. The individual
>>>> >> > parties
>>>> >> > would be responsible for deciding who did the writing or compiling
>>>> (or
>>>> >> > even
>>>> >> > individuals could just say "yeah, I'll do it." As I said, there's
>>>> no
>>>> >> > gain to
>>>> >> > be got.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > - Mozart.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 14/01/2012, at 9:29 PM, Pat Mächler wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > So you would rather opt for a maximum participation-no safeguard
>>>> >> > solution?
>>>> >> > Not that I would fight that; I just ask; of course one also has to
>>>> >> > accept the possible problems that may come with it.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Possible safeguards which I did consider
>>>> >> > 1) a fixed set of parties that are eligible to volunteer or
>>>> >> > 2) people (i.e. press officers) that are officially appointed by
>>>> >> > national parties or
>>>> >> > 3) someone that is coordinating the whole process overall (e.g.
>>>> >> > appointed by PPI GA or board).
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -pat
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Mozart
>>>> >> > <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Why not a fortnightly publication with a half an A4 page of
>>>> information
>>>> >> > from
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > each Pirate Party? Each fortnight a party could volunteer to
>>>> format,
>>>> >> > edit
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > and compile it as a PDF and maybe it could be hosted on PPI or
>>>> >> > something? It
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > wouldn't be an "official publication," more an internal update, so
>>>> it
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > wouldn't need to be too formal and professional. As long as it was
>>>> neat.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > – Mozart (PPAU)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 14/01/2012, at 11:01 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Ahoi Pirates
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'll try to take this into my hands after my thesis, so I might as
>>>> well
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > start the brainstorming now.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > As written in the other mail (on PPDE reaching 20k+ members) it
>>>> might be
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > good idea to start an information service about what is going on
>>>> in the
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > world of the pirate parties. I see this as a way of facilitating
>>>> news
>>>> >> > across
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > language barriers (where they seem to stop way too often nowadays)
>>>> about
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > what is going on in each and every pirate party, a way for
>>>> know-how to
>>>> >> > get
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > dispersed, to invite to assemblies and meetings and the likes. The
>>>> idea
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > basically to strengthen the feeling that the pirate party movement
>>>> is an
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > international community, and can then maybe grow to be more than
>>>> the
>>>> >> > sums of
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > it's part. In light of a European election coming up in 2014 that
>>>> may be
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > good idea.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I am thinking of a newsletter written monthly for now in the PPI
>>>> list,
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > maybe published on a blog (or the PPI website if it is deemed
>>>> important
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > enough), giving information on day to day political work of
>>>> different
>>>> >> > pirate
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > parties, from a local council in some backwater town in Germany to
>>>> the
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > struggles of pirate parties in Russia, Slowenia, Brazil, Ohio or
>>>> Marocco
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > get registered as a nation-/statewide party. At the moment it is
>>>> quite
>>>> >> > hard
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > to come by information about what is going on in the different
>>>> national
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > parties if you don't speak the language, and the idea is to
>>>> provide a
>>>> >> > place
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > where that is happening in English.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Once that is running and we have a few contributors actively
>>>> fanning out
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > through the Internetz to get information on the different parties,
>>>> and
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > people like it well enough, we could go to publishing more
>>>> frequently,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > translating into other languages, maybe even hosting a podcast,
>>>> and the
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > likes, but that's for the future to see. I think a newsletter every
>>>> >> > month
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > with stories from 5 to 8 pirate parties is doable.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I do like the name 'Message in a Bottle' the German PP-affiliated
>>>> news
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > service has, in English it sounds even better imo. So that would
>>>> be my
>>>> >> > idea
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > for a name, but I am up for other ideas. When I get bored over my
>>>> thesis
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > over the following weeks I'll try to spread the information a bit
>>>> >> > further.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > For now I am interested in your input.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > So to summarize: What do you think about the idea of having a
>>>> newsletter
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > (that may grow into a news service with blog and so on) in English
>>>> about
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > what is going on in the different pirate parties. Do you think
>>>> this is a
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > good tool to foster something like an international community, to
>>>> >> > support
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > PPI and PWB so to say? Would you be willing to maybe come up with
>>>> an
>>>> >> > article
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > every other month to help the service about what is going on in
>>>> your PP?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Cheers
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Justus
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Mozart Palmer
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Head of Media Relations
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Pirate Party Australia
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>>> >> >
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>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
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>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
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>>>> >> >
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>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> >> > Mozart Palmer
>>>> >> > Head of Media Relations
>>>> >> > Pirate Party Australia
>>>> >> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ____________________________________________________
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>>>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>>> >> >
>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>> >> >
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>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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