[pp.int.general] Other (no sot good) reaction to MU joint complaint campaign

[Choms]

2012/1/29 Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de>

> Moin Kenneth
>
> We are (or rather our leadership is) slow, so actually there is nothing
> decided yet.
>
> IMO all you write is true, but smaller PPs can win much more than PPDE in
> this case, we already have our name out there.
>

I agree with that point, because media can be harmful, but I think, in that
case, the best thing is just to keep a low profile and not to say anything
(just like time ago with Anonymous movement :P) because whatever you do, it
will be harmful. So I agree it could be better not to say anything in favor
or against it, but I only want to you to understand that isn't about MU,
but about a violation of costumers rights, seizure of data, privacy, etc.


> Anyways, it's not like we actually oppose you, is it? Afaik nobody
> official from PPDE has put forward an opinion to the matter, everything
> else were just individual opinions.
>
> Having said that, the fact that the US is more of a police state than we
> would like, and that it is unlikely anybody is gonna get his data back is a
> shame, but probably nothing a court ruling in Europe will change. And I
> doubt we could win a case in the US (if we were to try that we should get
> the EFF on board, however).
>
> Kind regards
>
> -J
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>wrote:
>
>>  PP-DE is acting SHAMEFULLY in this case.
>>
>> What about the personal data of people using MU? didn't you had a
>> principle about defending privacy?
>>
>> Shame.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Al 29/01/12 15:37, En/na Choms ha escrit:
>>
>> Presumption of innocence? Oh, wait, that doesn't exists on the US... if
>> so, imho, you have to wait for a trial before condemn someone... but who
>> cares about justice? :)
>>
>> 2012/1/29 Christian Hufgard <pp at christian-hufgard.de>
>>
>>> On 29.01.2012 11:29, Josep Sànchez wrote:
>>> >>  You are also allowed to lose your money by investing in criminal
>>> >> stock companies.
>>> >
>>> > That's not the actual situation. In my country when anybody does any
>>> > action it is responsible for the collateral damages it might cause, and
>>> > it's even more serious if they could have avoided or previewed them and
>>> > didn't do it. It doesn't matter if its an individual, a government
>>> > officer or a policeman.
>>> > Are laws different in your country and in the USA?
>>>
>>>  Don't know about the US, but in germany police in nearly never made
>>> responsible for whatever they do. We had even our parties server raided
>>> a couple of days before an election without any consequences...
>>>
>>> > MU was not a "criminal company" *until* Virginia State authorities told
>>> > the Feds to seize it.
>>>
>>>  Of course they were, otherwise the hadn't been raided. (A judge or a
>>> jury still might decide something different)
>>>
>>> > People could hire their services until that moment
>>> > as they could do with any other company in the net. Financial services,
>>> > ISP's and even US tax authorities were operating normally with MU. Are
>>> > they also criminals?.
>>>
>>>  What for was Al Capone sent to Alcatraz? Murder or not paying his taxes?
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Well, that's your point of view. I don't think the Feds or Virginia
>>> >> State are responsible to keep MU running. And if the court determines
>>> >> the raid was illegal, they gonna have to pay a pretty huge amount of
>>> >> money to Kim and his fellows.
>>> >
>>> > First was a matter of money, now of who has to run the service, what
>>> > next? :)
>>>
>>>  Finally it's the matter of reason. If the law in the US does not force
>>> the Feds to keep a service online they were told to shut down, why
>>> should they do so?
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian
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