[pp.int.general] Other (no sot good) reaction to MU joint complaint campaign
Kenneth Peiruza
kenneth at pirata.cat
Sun Jan 29 16:10:10 CET 2012
Some pro-SGAE (Spanish RIAA+MPAA) artists have attacked us because of
this campaign, right.
You know what was the result of these attacks against us? we grew an 8%.
Regards,
Kenneth
Al 29/01/12 16:05, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
> I do understand that. I think most of PPDE understands that. But that
> doesn't mean that our media will understand it, or that they or the
> other parties won't use it against us, even if we try to explain it to
> them. And if that happens the part of the public that we need to win
> over to make the 5% threshold in the upcoming elections in Schleswig
> Holstein and Saarland, where we stand at 5 and 4 % respectively won't
> understand it neither. (Not to mention that it will likely not make a
> big difference for the success of the lawsuit whether PPDE takes part
> in it or not), our political and legal system is quite geared to not
> make the US angry at us again, somewhat understandably ;-)
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Choms <choms at botmania.net
> <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> wrote:
>
> 2012/1/29 Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de <mailto:squig at dfpx.de>>
>
> Moin Kenneth
>
> We are (or rather our leadership is) slow, so actually there
> is nothing decided yet.
>
> IMO all you write is true, but smaller PPs can win much more
> than PPDE in this case, we already have our name out there.
>
>
> I agree with that point, because media can be harmful, but I
> think, in that case, the best thing is just to keep a low profile
> and not to say anything (just like time ago with Anonymous
> movement :P) because whatever you do, it will be harmful. So I
> agree it could be better not to say anything in favor or against
> it, but I only want to you to understand that isn't about MU, but
> about a violation of costumers rights, seizure of data, privacy, etc.
>
>
> Anyways, it's not like we actually oppose you, is it? Afaik
> nobody official from PPDE has put forward an opinion to the
> matter, everything else were just individual opinions.
>
> Having said that, the fact that the US is more of a police
> state than we would like, and that it is unlikely anybody is
> gonna get his data back is a shame, but probably nothing a
> court ruling in Europe will change. And I doubt we could win a
> case in the US (if we were to try that we should get the EFF
> on board, however).
>
> Kind regards
>
> -J
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Kenneth Peiruza
> <kenneth at pirata.cat <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>> wrote:
>
> PP-DE is acting SHAMEFULLY in this case.
>
> What about the personal data of people using MU? didn't
> you had a principle about defending privacy?
>
> Shame.
>
>
>
>
> Al 29/01/12 15:37, En/na Choms ha escrit:
>> Presumption of innocence? Oh, wait, that doesn't exists
>> on the US... if so, imho, you have to wait for a trial
>> before condemn someone... but who cares about justice? :)
>>
>> 2012/1/29 Christian Hufgard <pp at christian-hufgard.de
>> <mailto:pp at christian-hufgard.de>>
>>
>> On 29.01.2012 11:29, Josep Sànchez wrote:
>> >> You are also allowed to lose your money by
>> investing in criminal
>> >> stock companies.
>> >
>> > That's not the actual situation. In my country when
>> anybody does any
>> > action it is responsible for the collateral damages
>> it might cause, and
>> > it's even more serious if they could have avoided
>> or previewed them and
>> > didn't do it. It doesn't matter if its an
>> individual, a government
>> > officer or a policeman.
>> > Are laws different in your country and in the USA?
>>
>> Don't know about the US, but in germany police in
>> nearly never made
>> responsible for whatever they do. We had even our
>> parties server raided
>> a couple of days before an election without any
>> consequences...
>>
>> > MU was not a "criminal company" *until* Virginia
>> State authorities told
>> > the Feds to seize it.
>>
>> Of course they were, otherwise the hadn't been
>> raided. (A judge or a
>> jury still might decide something different)
>>
>> > People could hire their services until that moment
>> > as they could do with any other company in the net.
>> Financial services,
>> > ISP's and even US tax authorities were operating
>> normally with MU. Are
>> > they also criminals?.
>>
>> What for was Al Capone sent to Alcatraz? Murder or
>> not paying his taxes?
>>
>>
>> >> Well, that's your point of view. I don't think the
>> Feds or Virginia
>> >> State are responsible to keep MU running. And if
>> the court determines
>> >> the raid was illegal, they gonna have to pay a
>> pretty huge amount of
>> >> money to Kim and his fellows.
>> >
>> > First was a matter of money, now of who has to run
>> the service, what
>> > next? :)
>>
>> Finally it's the matter of reason. If the law in the
>> US does not force
>> the Feds to keep a service online they were told to
>> shut down, why
>> should they do so?
>>
>>
>> Christian
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