[pp.int.general] CONSENSUS

[Anouk Neeteson]

This brings up what is a hot issue here in in France as well. We debate now
about the democracy versus consensus.
On one side the democracy can become a dictatorship of the majority. As on
the other side consensus is incredibly slow because nothing moves until
there is not even one vote against the proposal.

I'm for concensus because this is the ONLY way to guaranty protection from
the abuse of a majority against a minority or even a single person.
On Jul 13, 2012 12:48 p.m., "Andy Halsall" <a.halsall at pirateparty.org.uk>
wrote:

> On Friday 13 July 2012 01:19:45 Richard Stallman wrote:
> >     There is nothing "100% secure-proofed" in a world where we can't even
> >     decide if we're living in the matrix.
> >
> > The question is not whether it is "100% secure-proofed".
> > The question is whether it is grossly rotten or not.
> >
> > For traditional voting systems, we have some idea of how
> > vulnerable they are -- from simple experience.  For new proposed
> > computerized systems, we don't have experience to go by.
> > They are surely less than 100% reliable, but are they
> > less than 10% reliable?  We don't know, and actually using
> > them gives us little information, since we cannot check
> > the official results they give.
>
> For me it has always been a question as to the benefits of computerised
> voting.
>
> What problems are we trying to solve? Participation? Speed of getting a
> result?
> >
> > --
> > Dr Richard Stallman
> > President, Free Software Foundation
> > 51 Franklin St
> > Boston MA 02110
> > USA
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> > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
> >   Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
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