[pp.int.general] PP-Leaders list update reminder

[Antonio Garcia]

What does not make sense is the fact that the list has been set up and operated under a known set of restrictions, being a closed list being one of them. All that has been said assumed those restrictions would apply, and perhaps things that would not have been mentioned under other conditions have been disclosed there.

You can not change those conditions now and make everything public.

Not without barring everyone from trusting you again with any kind of information that should not go public before the one providing it decides so.

Imagine how difficult it would become for journalists if nobody trusted off-the-record and embargo to be respected... and abide by what is necessary.


You do not seem to understand it is at all impossible to have short, mid and long term strategies if you can not conceal anything from your opponents and adversaries... then all you can do is day to day improvising at the level the least intelligent of your allies can understand.

Very poor strategy.


Without trusting each other, in the sense that you do not need to know everything to be sure the other is acting to the best of his ability to further the common goal, we will get nowhere.

Distrust will keep ruining every effort.

Total transparence = total lack of trust.


And even with the total transparence, achieving anything becomes really impossible, under the present circumstances.


Antonio.
PP-ES
 

> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:54:51 +0200
> From: jakobsheep at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] PP-Leaders list update reminder
> 
> Good thinking Markus, I agree. And for the protection of their
> informel conversations before "publishing" they still have their
> private communications like E-mail to guarantee free thinking WITHOUT
> restrictions and no criticism during the formation of an unique free
> opinion !
> So we could have and transparency and guaranteed privacy at the same time.
> Does this make sense?
> 
> 
>  (in the forming of one's opinion
> On 21 July 2012 08:19, Markus Drenger
> <markus.drenger at piratenpartei-hessen.de> wrote:
> >> [..]
> >> It is used for the
> >> delivering of important information only [..]
> >> and not for discussions.
> >> well as to enable PPI members to discuss sensible matters.
> >
> > discussion or no discussion, that's the question ;)
> >
> > if this list is full of important information, without spam or other
> > troll threads, why not make this list world-readable?
> > It would be a perfect source of information within ppi.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Markus
> >
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