[pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is 16 years away

[José Manuel Goig]

+1 Maxime

I think we all agree that we want to protect our enviroment even if we
desagree about global warming is produced by humans.

We must stop wasting our time in long debates in which nobody move from
their position. We must respect other people's views even if wrong.

Instead, we should focus on technology efficiency, like Maxime proposes.
And how that can help our freedom.

And the issue of rare materials is also important as they are part of the
hardware we use.

But I think it's not wise politically to enter green parties' field because
they would start seeing us as intruders. Instead, we can show we have new
solutions for common problems.

José Manuel Goig
@jmgoig
http://usuadio.com
El 24/07/2012 3:31, "Maxime Rouquet" <maxime.rouquet at partipirate.org> va
escriure:

> On 07/24/2012 12:49 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> >     Agreed. Next question: what we can do from a pirate POV without
> being a
> >     Green spin-off?
> >
> > If other parties are concerned about an issue, does that make it
> > desirable for the Pirate Parties to be silent on that issue?  It does
> > not follow.
>
> In France, the Green party is appreciated by some because it takes the
> right position on most subjects. But it is criticized for two reasons :
> being a bad pedagogue, and eventually oversimplifying most problems.
>
> We should first focus on identifying and explain the causes and
> consequences of human activity on Earth.
>
> If there is no or not enough independent data on the subject, we should
> defend that means are given to scientists without conflict of interest
> to make studies.
>
> If there is no or not enough international cooperation on the subject,
> we should defend that no restrictive copyright is put on scientific data
> (at least from public-funded research), and that no patent or anything
> of that kind is used to prevent or limit such research.
>
> If there is evidence that there is an ecological problem (hint : there
> is), we should make sure the impact on short and long term will be
> taught to the public (on Wikipedia, in schools, etc.), depending on how
> the humanity behaves. Everybody should know what we are going to deal
> with from a wide and complete perspective.
>
> This is the first part of being a good pedagogue : explaining causes of
> consequences of our current and potential behaviour on Earth.
>
> Then we have to identify rightly the problems we have to fix, and the
> way we propose to fix them.
>
> Global warming can be a problem, coming from a very large variety of
> causes, to which most of the time pirates could find very good solutions.
>
> I was once in a debate with Greens supporters who challenged me on the
> fact that technology can have dramatic impact on ecology, in particular
> global warming. They took the example of Google or Facebook servers that
> have a huge consummation of energy : pirate are "pro" technology, so
> they advocate such bad behaviour, right... ?
>
> ... wrong ! We pirates like decentralization, so we do not support
> massive concentration of servers that generate global warming. More : we
> defend privacy, so we do not advocate blindly cloud computing and
> everything that makes citizens give their private data to big companies
> and put it under legislation of foreign more-or-less democratic states.
>
> I explained we would mostly promote things like the FreedomBox project
> where everybody would install a basic micro-server at his home where he
> could stock the data he might like to share on Internet, while keeping
> total control over it. Such box could be built without cutting up
> mountains to get silicon or make 12 year old children work 70 hours a
> week in factories, just by recycling existing electronic components.
>
> It would not need particular amount of energy, in fact most of our
> modems already waste more energy than would be needed, and at the level
> of a house the warming effect would be negligible (if not simply
> compensated by a decrease in the house heating system use).
>
> I then wanted to go deeper and present the PP-FR vision on "nuclear
> energy". This is a hot topic in France as a large majority of our
> electricity comes from nuclear energy. Most people advocate it because
> it makes us "independent" from other countries, but "putting an end to
> nuclear power" is almost Greens' slogan since 50 years. But they forget
> to teach people why, and they fail because of that.
>
> In last elections I wrote on my program that I promoted "energy
> independence", by using energy that does not depend on any foreign
> producer (and nuclear energy comes from Uranium which we mostly buy from
> Nigeria...). I spoke about renewable energy, and in particular of
> geothermal energy.
>
> Isn't the idea of producing energy from heat particularly interesting ?
> Well, there are many places where we could develop geothermal energy,
> but curiously no big energy company is promoting it. Why ? Because they
> all sell a consumable product (petrol, gas, coal, etc.), not simply the
> power plant. Buying a power plant to them is ensuring them we will also
> buy their energy for the next fifty years or so... Therefore, we think
> we should develop such energy sources, even if big energy company do not
> promote them.
>
> We also want to decentralise the energy production. Citizens and local
> communities should be encouraged to exploit geothermal or wind turbine
> energy at their scale, rather than depending on big power plants. (By
> the way, we could get rid of most of the big power lines too...)
>
> In this direction, you would quickly face (at least in France) monopoly
> problems. You can indeed produce electricity but... you have to sell it
> to Électricité de France before buying it back ! This is how EDF keeps
> its monopoly on electricity distribution. If you want to buy gaz, you
> legally cannot buy a cylnder from Germany or another country where it
> would be less expensive, it is forbidden by law. There are a lot of
> things made in the law to protect what have become giant monopolistic
> private companies that do not help that much ecology (apart from in
> their cute good looking advertisements of course...)
>
> Such a decentralized renewable energy production can be told in a few
> words that are plainly compatible with the pirate spirit.
>
> Decentralization, privacy, fight against monopolies, copyright
> softening, patent abolishment... these fundamentally pirate topics can
> lead to positions that are the same than the Green movement (or should
> be), but with a very different approach.
>
> I think taking a global approach of ecological problems is not a good
> way of doing. We must not fight global warming because "it is in our
> program" or "we are against it". Greens did not really succeed in
> fighting nuclear energy because of such a negative approach.
>
> Instead, we should promote better knowledge of the citizens of
> environment considerations, and promote good behaviour, all by
> explaining them with our core ideas. As long as ecology is a consequence
> of our ideas, nobody can discard us as a Greens spin-off.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Maxime
>
> PS : There are a lot of examples of good policy we could promote that
> would have positive environmental effects. Think about the deployment of
> optical fibre that we could promote in order to strengthen the access to
> information and the ease of communication : it is made of glass, coming
> from sand (low cost + no negative impact on environment) instead of
> copper (increasing cost + huge thermal dissipation)...
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