[pp.int.general] Towards a Pirate Policy on Environmental Issues

[thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl]

Wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

We are not the greens. The greens are the greens. We are the pirate party,
we do all sort of cool things with knowledge, like ensuring democratic
values, helping people help themselves by ensuring their access to
knowledge, and many other things. 

You see, when we start getting idealistic about the trees and the birds
and the bees, the point is not far off where we stop to judge things to the
best of our knowledge. Because it might just be so that the trees and the
birds and the bees are not that terribly relevant; and where would that
leave our happy thoughts about this wonderfull planet so full of life and
diversity? 

Environmentalism is just another dipshit ideology in the end, and we're
trying to stay above that. We should be guided by knowledge rather than the
urge to think something is so valuable it cannot be wrong, like god, or the
trees or whatever stupid thing you need to feel your life has a point to
it. [spoiler: life does not, it only has the point you give it, so pick
better than this hmm k?]

There, now we cleared that up, carry on. 

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:35:31 +0200, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
wrote:
> In my personal opinion, we could extend our principles in a similar way
> as we do in copyright and patents: citizens first, not corporate
profits.
> 
> That doesn't mean that we're commies or anything like that. It just
> means that we don't put economic profit in front of citizen's rights and
> welfare.
> 
> So, some random ideas:
> 
> - Ending with free-trade//increase-taxation of:
>    - Goods that aren't produced under conditions compatible with those
> required in countries like EU. (i.e. ban/increase-taxes of products made
> with Cl2 obtained with mercury cells, forbidden in all western countries
> for it's environmental impact).
>    - Goods produced in inhumane work conditions (safety, working hours
> and so on)
> - Reduce taxes on everything which has a positive impact on environment,
> health or work conditions.
> 
> 
> So, what is good for the people, might be cheaper, and what's harmful,
> might be punished. That would also pressure corps to stop producing
> offshore to avoid the strict regulations of countries like the EU.
> 
> And more specific about the environment, what about agreeing that
> there's too much CO2 (global warming, acidification of oceans and so on)
> and then pushing forward energy efficiency and green and renewable
> energies?
> 
> That is also positive for energy sovereignty of every country, making us
> less dependent of oil-speculators and wars for oil and gas (thus saving
> trillions in our military expenditure).
> 
> This isn't a green's party policy, it's just a slice of their program,
> but the slice which almost everyone might be able to agree.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kenneth
> Al 29/07/12 19:14, En/na Torbjörn Wester ha escrit:
>> Cheers to everybody, this being my first mail to this list.
>>
>> I'm interested in your opinions on what different standpoints would be
>> appropriate and relevant when it comes to developing a Pirate Policy on
>> environmental issues.
>>
>> Right now we don't have very much to say on this topic, at least when
it
>> comes to the Swedish Pirate Party. Of course we are opposed to the
>> inhibiting effects of patents on "green tech", but that is quite
limited
>> as
>> an environmental policy.
>>
>> What would be a functional Pirate perspective on environment issues?
(1)
>> What environmental challenges are to be primarily prioritized? (2) What
>> solutions would we prefer to said challenges?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Torbjörn Wester
>> Board Member, Swedish Pirate Party
>>
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