[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference

Fri Mar 2 14:40:41 CET 2012

Hello Kenneth,

I would support such a modification. The idea behind the 1 country 1 member
rule was to avoid having 2 competing PPs from one country as a member. I
think this is now less of a problem than the one you described! Spain is
not the only country where it is a problem, look at the US where we have
more than one regional Pirate Party which should also be able to join as
ordinary member.

The only risk I see with that modification is that you might have multiple
voting members from one country. Imagine every regional and local Pirate
Party in Germany joining as ordinary member with full voting rights. Do you
have any proposal on how to avoid that?

If you propose an amendment make sure to do it before the deadline ;) If
you have a Pad where you prepare it let me know, I'd like to have a look :)

Kind regards,

Jerry

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat> wrote:

>  Hi Justus,
>
> Yes, Galicia can't get ordinary membership with current statutes, however,
> the situation in Spain is quite different of that in Germany. It's closer
> to the one in Italy with PP-IT and PP-SudTirol.
>
> At least 7 Spanish regions have a mother tongue different than Spanish and
> represent a 40% of the Spanish population. That doesn't happens in Germany.
>
> We have 3 regions with a significative % of voters not feeling Spaniards
> (or not so much) in Spain: Catalonia
> , Vasque Country and Galicia. In a minor %, you have Asturias, Navarra,
> Valencia and Balearic Islands, then you have the rest of 17 autonomous
> regions.
>
> In Catalonia and Vasque country, over 55% of people votes always for
> non-spanish parties, sometimes up to 65%.
>
> The Spanish commies (IU, Izquierda Unida) fixed this by creating a
> confederation: One party in Catalonia and it's brother outside it (ICV +
> IU) and this is the model we're pushing forward in PP-CAT. Most Spaniard
> commies vote happily to ICV in Catalonia, whilst most Catalan commies vote
> ICV as well. Years ago, it was all IU. After organizing like IU+ICV,
> commies increased a 50% its voters in Catalonia.
>
> That is our idea: work together in International and state-wide issues,
> and organize independently on each region whenever possible (general
> elections are done region by regions in Spain, as in many countries).
>
> Samir (and I can't tell if Marcel as well) pointed out that we should
> sort-out this situation in Spain. He proposed PP-ES to loose its full
> membership status and urged PP-ES + CAT ( and now + GAL as well ) to create
> an umbrella organization which would be the full-member of PPI.
>
> That would make sense, as PP-CAT is 3.5 times bigger than PP-ES, it's a
> bit weird that they have full-membership status whilst we simply can't.
>
> There's a Spanish pirate for every 225000 Spaniards whilst there's a
> Catalan pirate for every 9966 Catalans... Moreover, we have the only 2
> pirate representatives of Spain. On the last Spanish general election
> (November 2011), over 90% of the Pirate votes were for PP-CAT...
>
> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked like
> its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly it fucked up and got frozen
> again... Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality since 2006.
>
> That's the key reason why new regional pirate parties arise in Spain. Most
> of us aren't secessionists (PP-CAT has a % of secessionists similar to that
> in Catalan society), we just try to make our job in the most efficient
> possible way. Expect others to be created as well over the next years if
> PP-ES donesn't fixes it's statute and internal democracy issues (working on
> it since 2009...).
>
> Forget about PP-CAT integrating into PP-ES, there's no way. Even if PP-ES
> fixed its statutes and internal democracy issues, at least 50% of PP-CAT
> members wouldn't be part of a Spanish party, and thinking in election
> results, a huge % of we would decline the offering. So, we need another way.
>
> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain, to
> define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one),
> where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid, Andalucia or
> whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become members of the
> confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.
>
> However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't agree
> something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
> modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL
> would be able to achieve full membership status.
>
> This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and PP-GAL
> into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
> candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the admission
> of new PPI members in places like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's
> Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state but have completely independent
> politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>
> Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kenneth Peiruza
> Pirates de Catalunya
> http://pirata.cat
>
>
> On 02/03/12 02:49, Justus Römeth wrote:
>
> Thank you for posting Lola! And thank you Pat, Lola and Thomas for doing a
> job 6 people were elected with 3 people!
>
>  One question: How could Galicia get ordinary membership, though?
>
> And another would/could/should be: Is observer membership by the German
> state parties something PPI welcomes, or do you merely accept it (as there
> is a paralell with the situation in Spain)? How about local chapters
> (Pirate party of Hanover, pirate party of Frankfurt, ...)? Maybe this point
> merits discussion during the GA (in the unlikely event we run out of
> topics).
>
>  -J
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Lola Voronina <
> lola.voronina at pp-international.net> wrote:
>
>> Fellow Pirates,
>>
>>  Enclosed is a link to the minutes of the last PPI board meeting:
>>  http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Board_Minutes_2012-02-28
>>
>>  We also updated the conference page:
>> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012. The next PPI conference
>> will take place in Prague on 14-15 of April. We are currently working on a
>> program (here is a draft: https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-conference-agenda)
>> and invitations.
>> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal add it to
>> the proposal page:
>> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012/Proposals or write to *
>> board at pp-international.net*.
>>
>>  Best regards,
>> Lola Voronina,
>> Chief Administrative Officer, Pirate Parties International
>>  International Coordinator, Pirate Party of Russia
>>
>>
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