[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference
Kenneth Peiruza
kenneth at pirata.cat
Fri Mar 2 15:15:58 CET 2012
Hi Jerry,
IMO, the way to balance countries with many parties, big countries with
a lot of members and only one party and countries with few members and 1
party would be a rule of double majority, kind of senate + congress:
- Congress: every pirate has 1 vote, it might approve everything by
(i.e.) 2/3 of votes.
- Senate: 1 party, 1 vote, might approve everything by 2/3 or 3/4 of
votes. Where no member shares territory with another pirate party.
If most pirate parties and most pirates want something, probably they're
right.
If suddenly a country presented 20 regional parties that could
significantly affect the senate's vote, or we don't see any real
activity over there, we can just decline the admission as full members
and leave them as observers until they do something real (a campaign,
running for elections, & so on).
I must leave right now, if do you want to open a pad, I'll be glad to
participate.
Regards!
Kenneth
On 02/03/12 14:40, Jerry Weyer wrote:
> Hello Kenneth,
>
> I would support such a modification. The idea behind the 1 country 1
> member rule was to avoid having 2 competing PPs from one country as a
> member. I think this is now less of a problem than the one you
> described! Spain is not the only country where it is a problem, look
> at the US where we have more than one regional Pirate Party which
> should also be able to join as ordinary member.
>
> The only risk I see with that modification is that you might have
> multiple voting members from one country. Imagine every regional and
> local Pirate Party in Germany joining as ordinary member with full
> voting rights. Do you have any proposal on how to avoid that?
>
> If you propose an amendment make sure to do it before the deadline ;)
> If you have a Pad where you prepare it let me know, I'd like to have a
> look :)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat
> <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>> wrote:
>
> Hi Justus,
>
> Yes, Galicia can't get ordinary membership with current statutes,
> however, the situation in Spain is quite different of that in
> Germany. It's closer to the one in Italy with PP-IT and PP-SudTirol.
>
> At least 7 Spanish regions have a mother tongue different than
> Spanish and represent a 40% of the Spanish population. That
> doesn't happens in Germany.
>
> We have 3 regions with a significative % of voters not feeling
> Spaniards (or not so much) in Spain: Catalonia
> , Vasque Country and Galicia. In a minor %, you have Asturias,
> Navarra, Valencia and Balearic Islands, then you have the rest of
> 17 autonomous regions.
>
> In Catalonia and Vasque country, over 55% of people votes always
> for non-spanish parties, sometimes up to 65%.
>
> The Spanish commies (IU, Izquierda Unida) fixed this by creating a
> confederation: One party in Catalonia and it's brother outside it
> (ICV + IU) and this is the model we're pushing forward in PP-CAT.
> Most Spaniard commies vote happily to ICV in Catalonia, whilst
> most Catalan commies vote ICV as well. Years ago, it was all IU.
> After organizing like IU+ICV, commies increased a 50% its voters
> in Catalonia.
>
> That is our idea: work together in International and state-wide
> issues, and organize independently on each region whenever
> possible (general elections are done region by regions in Spain,
> as in many countries).
>
> Samir (and I can't tell if Marcel as well) pointed out that we
> should sort-out this situation in Spain. He proposed PP-ES to
> loose its full membership status and urged PP-ES + CAT ( and now +
> GAL as well ) to create an umbrella organization which would be
> the full-member of PPI.
>
> That would make sense, as PP-CAT is 3.5 times bigger than PP-ES,
> it's a bit weird that they have full-membership status whilst we
> simply can't.
>
> There's a Spanish pirate for every 225000 Spaniards whilst there's
> a Catalan pirate for every 9966 Catalans... Moreover, we have the
> only 2 pirate representatives of Spain. On the last Spanish
> general election (November 2011), over 90% of the Pirate votes
> were for PP-CAT...
>
> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It
> looked like its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly it fucked
> up and got frozen again... Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its
> potentiality since 2006.
>
> That's the key reason why new regional pirate parties arise in
> Spain. Most of us aren't secessionists (PP-CAT has a % of
> secessionists similar to that in Catalan society), we just try to
> make our job in the most efficient possible way. Expect others to
> be created as well over the next years if PP-ES donesn't fixes
> it's statute and internal democracy issues (working on it since
> 2009...).
>
> Forget about PP-CAT integrating into PP-ES, there's no way. Even
> if PP-ES fixed its statutes and internal democracy issues, at
> least 50% of PP-CAT members wouldn't be part of a Spanish party,
> and thinking in election results, a huge % of we would decline the
> offering. So, we need another way.
>
> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain,
> to define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU
> parliament's one), where PP-ES can have federated regional parties
> like Madrid, Andalucia or whoever wants, whilst others can choose
> to become members of the confederation, being PP-ES itself one of
> the confederation members.
>
> However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we
> can't agree something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an
> statute modification, changing "country" for "territory", so,
> PP-CAT and PP-GAL would be able to achieve full membership status.
>
> This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and
> PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to
> present candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and
> easing the admission of new PPI members in places like Palestine,
> Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state
> but have completely independent politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>
> Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kenneth Peiruza
> Pirates de Catalunya
> http://pirata.cat
>
>
> On 02/03/12 02:49, Justus Römeth wrote:
>> Thank you for posting Lola! And thank you Pat, Lola and Thomas
>> for doing a job 6 people were elected with 3 people!
>>
>> One question: How could Galicia get ordinary membership, though?
>>
>> And another would/could/should be: Is observer membership by the
>> German state parties something PPI welcomes, or do you merely
>> accept it (as there is a paralell with the situation in Spain)?
>> How about local chapters (Pirate party of Hanover, pirate party
>> of Frankfurt, ...)? Maybe this point merits discussion during the
>> GA (in the unlikely event we run out of topics).
>>
>> -J
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Lola Voronina
>> <lola.voronina at pp-international.net
>> <mailto:lola.voronina at pp-international.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Pirates,
>>
>> Enclosed is a link to the minutes of the last PPI board meeting:
>> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Board_Minutes_2012-02-28
>>
>> We also updated the conference
>> page: http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012. The
>> next PPI conference will take place in Prague on 14-15 of
>> April. We are currently working on a program (here is a
>> draft: https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-conference-agenda) and
>> invitations.
>> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal
>> add it to the proposal
>> page: http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012/Proposals or
>> write to /board at pp-international.net
>> <mailto:board at pp-international.net>/.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lola Voronina,
>> Chief Administrative Officer, Pirate Parties International
>> International Coordinator, Pirate Party of Russia
>>
>>
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