[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference

Fri Mar 2 15:35:41 CET 2012

Hello,

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat> wrote:

>  Hi Jerry,
>
> IMO, the way to balance countries with many parties, big countries with a
> lot of members and only one party and countries with few members and 1
> party would be a rule of double majority, kind of senate + congress:
>
> - Congress: every pirate has 1 vote, it might approve everything by (i.e.)
> 2/3 of votes.
> - Senate: 1 party, 1 vote, might approve everything by 2/3 or 3/4 of
> votes. Where no member shares territory with another pirate party.
>

Interesting idea - however PPI only accepts Parties, not individuals as
members. Also it would be very hard to organize conferences with individual
members of all Pirate Parties ;)

>
> If most pirate parties and most pirates want something, probably they're
> right.
>
> If suddenly a country presented 20 regional parties that could
> significantly affect the senate's vote, or we don't see any real activity
> over there, we can just decline the admission as full members and leave
> them as observers until they do something real (a campaign, running for
> elections, & so on).
>

That might just be the reasonable thing to do in short term: make the
statute amendment you proposed and hope the GA is reasonable in accepting
new members.

Regards,

Jerry

>
>
> I must leave right now, if do you want to open a pad, I'll be glad to
> participate.
>
> Regards!
>
> Kenneth
>
>
>
> On 02/03/12 14:40, Jerry Weyer wrote:
>
> Hello Kenneth,
>
>  I would support such a modification. The idea behind the 1 country 1
> member rule was to avoid having 2 competing PPs from one country as a
> member. I think this is now less of a problem than the one you described!
> Spain is not the only country where it is a problem, look at the US where
> we have more than one regional Pirate Party which should also be able to
> join as ordinary member.
>
>  The only risk I see with that modification is that you might have
> multiple voting members from one country. Imagine every regional and local
> Pirate Party in Germany joining as ordinary member with full voting rights.
> Do you have any proposal on how to avoid that?
>
>  If you propose an amendment make sure to do it before the deadline ;) If
> you have a Pad where you prepare it let me know, I'd like to have a look :)
>
>  Kind regards,
>
>  Jerry
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Justus,
>>
>> Yes, Galicia can't get ordinary membership with current statutes,
>> however, the situation in Spain is quite different of that in Germany. It's
>> closer to the one in Italy with PP-IT and PP-SudTirol.
>>
>> At least 7 Spanish regions have a mother tongue different than Spanish
>> and represent a 40% of the Spanish population. That doesn't happens in
>> Germany.
>>
>> We have 3 regions with a significative % of voters not feeling Spaniards
>> (or not so much) in Spain: Catalonia
>> , Vasque Country and Galicia. In a minor %, you have Asturias, Navarra,
>> Valencia and Balearic Islands, then you have the rest of 17 autonomous
>> regions.
>>
>> In Catalonia and Vasque country, over 55% of people votes always for
>> non-spanish parties, sometimes up to 65%.
>>
>> The Spanish commies (IU, Izquierda Unida) fixed this by creating a
>> confederation: One party in Catalonia and it's brother outside it (ICV +
>> IU) and this is the model we're pushing forward in PP-CAT. Most Spaniard
>> commies vote happily to ICV in Catalonia, whilst most Catalan commies vote
>> ICV as well. Years ago, it was all IU. After organizing like IU+ICV,
>> commies increased a 50% its voters in Catalonia.
>>
>> That is our idea: work together in International and state-wide issues,
>> and organize independently on each region whenever possible (general
>> elections are done region by regions in Spain, as in many countries).
>>
>> Samir (and I can't tell if Marcel as well) pointed out that we should
>> sort-out this situation in Spain. He proposed PP-ES to loose its full
>> membership status and urged PP-ES + CAT ( and now + GAL as well ) to create
>> an umbrella organization which would be the full-member of PPI.
>>
>> That would make sense, as PP-CAT is 3.5 times bigger than PP-ES, it's a
>> bit weird that they have full-membership status whilst we simply can't.
>>
>> There's a Spanish pirate for every 225000 Spaniards whilst there's a
>> Catalan pirate for every 9966 Catalans... Moreover, we have the only 2
>> pirate representatives of Spain. On the last Spanish general election
>> (November 2011), over 90% of the Pirate votes were for PP-CAT...
>>
>> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked like
>> its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly it fucked up and got frozen
>> again... Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality since 2006.
>>
>> That's the key reason why new regional pirate parties arise in Spain.
>> Most of us aren't secessionists (PP-CAT has a % of secessionists similar to
>> that in Catalan society), we just try to make our job in the most efficient
>> possible way. Expect others to be created as well over the next years if
>> PP-ES donesn't fixes it's statute and internal democracy issues (working on
>> it since 2009...).
>>
>> Forget about PP-CAT integrating into PP-ES, there's no way. Even if PP-ES
>> fixed its statutes and internal democracy issues, at least 50% of PP-CAT
>> members wouldn't be part of a Spanish party, and thinking in election
>> results, a huge % of we would decline the offering. So, we need another way.
>>
>> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain, to
>> define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one),
>> where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid, Andalucia or
>> whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become members of the
>> confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.
>>
>> However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't agree
>> something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
>> modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL
>> would be able to achieve full membership status.
>>
>> This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and PP-GAL
>> into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
>> candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the admission
>> of new PPI members in places like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's
>> Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state but have completely independent
>> politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>>
>> Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Kenneth Peiruza
>> Pirates de Catalunya
>> http://pirata.cat
>>
>>
>> On 02/03/12 02:49, Justus Römeth wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for posting Lola! And thank you Pat, Lola and Thomas for doing
>> a job 6 people were elected with 3 people!
>>
>>  One question: How could Galicia get ordinary membership, though?
>>
>> And another would/could/should be: Is observer membership by the German
>> state parties something PPI welcomes, or do you merely accept it (as there
>> is a paralell with the situation in Spain)? How about local chapters
>> (Pirate party of Hanover, pirate party of Frankfurt, ...)? Maybe this point
>> merits discussion during the GA (in the unlikely event we run out of
>> topics).
>>
>>  -J
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Lola Voronina <
>> lola.voronina at pp-international.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Fellow Pirates,
>>>
>>>  Enclosed is a link to the minutes of the last PPI board meeting:
>>>  http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Board_Minutes_2012-02-28
>>>
>>>  We also updated the conference page:
>>> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012. The next PPI
>>> conference will take place in Prague on 14-15 of April. We are currently
>>> working on a program (here is a draft:
>>> https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-conference-agenda) and invitations.
>>> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal add it to
>>> the proposal page:
>>> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012/Proposals or write to *
>>> board at pp-international.net*.
>>>
>>>  Best regards,
>>> Lola Voronina,
>>> Chief Administrative Officer, Pirate Parties International
>>>  International Coordinator, Pirate Party of Russia
>>>
>>>
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