[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference
Andrew Norton
ktetch at gmail.com
Fri Mar 2 17:48:32 CET 2012
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On 3/2/2012 8:40 AM, Jerry Weyer wrote:
> Hello Kenneth,
>
> I would support such a modification. The idea behind the 1 country 1
> member rule was to avoid having 2 competing PPs from one country as a
> member. I think this is now less of a problem than the one you
> described! Spain is not the only country where it is a problem, look at
> the US where we have more than one regional Pirate Party which should
> also be able to join as ordinary member.
erm, not quite right. The US already has the system proposed, where a
confederation of partiues form a whole. In the US there is *NO* national
party, at all. Political parties are organised and recognised at the
state level only, and thats where 99.9% of election law is based.
as a result, there is no such thing as a national party at all, BUT
there are national committees, which state parties belong to (and are
generally considered to be the equivilent to a 'national party'. It
would be that that joined PPI. So it's not the same at all.
Plus with potentially 51 parties (50 states+DC) we would outnumber all
y'all.
>
> The only risk I see with that modification is that you might have
> multiple voting members from one country. Imagine every regional and
> local Pirate Party in Germany joining as ordinary member with full
> voting rights. Do you have any proposal on how to avoid that?
Yes, keep it as it is, it's a national issue. PIRATA and pp-cat need to
sort things out between them.
Andrew
>
> If you propose an amendment make sure to do it before the deadline ;) If
> you have a Pad where you prepare it let me know, I'd like to have a look :)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat
> <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>> wrote:
>
> Hi Justus,
>
> Yes, Galicia can't get ordinary membership with current statutes,
> however, the situation in Spain is quite different of that in
> Germany. It's closer to the one in Italy with PP-IT and PP-SudTirol.
>
> At least 7 Spanish regions have a mother tongue different than
> Spanish and represent a 40% of the Spanish population. That doesn't
> happens in Germany.
>
> We have 3 regions with a significative % of voters not feeling
> Spaniards (or not so much) in Spain: Catalonia
> , Vasque Country and Galicia. In a minor %, you have Asturias,
> Navarra, Valencia and Balearic Islands, then you have the rest of 17
> autonomous regions.
>
> In Catalonia and Vasque country, over 55% of people votes always for
> non-spanish parties, sometimes up to 65%.
>
> The Spanish commies (IU, Izquierda Unida) fixed this by creating a
> confederation: One party in Catalonia and it's brother outside it
> (ICV + IU) and this is the model we're pushing forward in PP-CAT.
> Most Spaniard commies vote happily to ICV in Catalonia, whilst most
> Catalan commies vote ICV as well. Years ago, it was all IU. After
> organizing like IU+ICV, commies increased a 50% its voters in Catalonia.
>
> That is our idea: work together in International and state-wide
> issues, and organize independently on each region whenever possible
> (general elections are done region by regions in Spain, as in many
> countries).
>
> Samir (and I can't tell if Marcel as well) pointed out that we
> should sort-out this situation in Spain. He proposed PP-ES to loose
> its full membership status and urged PP-ES + CAT ( and now + GAL as
> well ) to create an umbrella organization which would be the
> full-member of PPI.
>
> That would make sense, as PP-CAT is 3.5 times bigger than PP-ES,
> it's a bit weird that they have full-membership status whilst we
> simply can't.
>
> There's a Spanish pirate for every 225000 Spaniards whilst there's a
> Catalan pirate for every 9966 Catalans... Moreover, we have the only
> 2 pirate representatives of Spain. On the last Spanish general
> election (November 2011), over 90% of the Pirate votes were for
> PP-CAT...
>
> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked
> like its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly it fucked up and got
> frozen again... Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality
> since 2006.
>
> That's the key reason why new regional pirate parties arise in
> Spain. Most of us aren't secessionists (PP-CAT has a % of
> secessionists similar to that in Catalan society), we just try to
> make our job in the most efficient possible way. Expect others to be
> created as well over the next years if PP-ES donesn't fixes it's
> statute and internal democracy issues (working on it since 2009...).
>
> Forget about PP-CAT integrating into PP-ES, there's no way. Even if
> PP-ES fixed its statutes and internal democracy issues, at least 50%
> of PP-CAT members wouldn't be part of a Spanish party, and thinking
> in election results, a huge % of we would decline the offering. So,
> we need another way.
>
> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain,
> to define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's
> one), where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid,
> Andalucia or whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become
> members of the confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the
> confederation members.
>
> However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't
> agree something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
> modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and
> PP-GAL would be able to achieve full membership status.
>
> This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and
> PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
> candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the
> admission of new PPI members in places like Palestine,
> Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state
> but have completely independent politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>
> Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kenneth Peiruza
> Pirates de Catalunya
> http://pirata.cat
>
>
> On 02/03/12 02:49, Justus Römeth wrote:
>> Thank you for posting Lola! And thank you Pat, Lola and Thomas for
>> doing a job 6 people were elected with 3 people!
>>
>> One question: How could Galicia get ordinary membership, though?
>>
>> And another would/could/should be: Is observer membership by the
>> German state parties something PPI welcomes, or do you merely
>> accept it (as there is a paralell with the situation in Spain)?
>> How about local chapters (Pirate party of Hanover, pirate party of
>> Frankfurt, ...)? Maybe this point merits discussion during the GA
>> (in the unlikely event we run out of topics).
>>
>> -J
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Lola Voronina
>> <lola.voronina at pp-international.net
>> <mailto:lola.voronina at pp-international.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Pirates,
>>
>> Enclosed is a link to the minutes of the last PPI board meeting:
>> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Board_Minutes_2012-02-28
>>
>> We also updated the conference
>> page: http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012. The
>> next PPI conference will take place in Prague on 14-15 of
>> April. We are currently working on a program (here is a
>> draft: https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-conference-agenda) and
>> invitations.
>> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal
>> add it to the proposal
>> page: http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2012/Proposals or
>> write to /board at pp-international.net
>> <mailto:board at pp-international.net>/.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lola Voronina,
>> Chief Administrative Officer, Pirate Parties International
>> International Coordinator, Pirate Party of Russia
>>
>>
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