[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference

Sat Mar 3 02:33:46 CET 2012

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>    1. An International Pirate Party Contact and	Information List
>       (Josef Ohlsson Collentine)
>    2. An International Pirate Party Contact and	Information List
>       (Josef Ohlsson Collentine)
>    3. Re: PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the
>       conference (Kenneth Peiruza)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:51:03 -0600
> From: Josef Ohlsson Collentine <international at piratpartiet.se>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact and
> 	Information List
> Message-ID:
> 	<CADPtX5zpAHt6xUnHU7Xqq4ir667QTkRBPfgRH0OuxekOTav2nw at mail.gmail.com>
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> Thanks for the help. Starting to look better now but still a lot left. If
> you have time over you could help me fill out another party than your own
> on the list: http://bit.ly/ppcontacts
>
> @Pat
> Looked through that list and several other sources and extracted the ones I
> felt were still active. I few on that PPI list are very dead right now...
> As I mentioned earlier I have an old contact list (similar to this one but
> more complete) that I created long ago. Advantage of starting new is I can
> check to make sure everything is up to date and add some info.
> Scout looks like a good idea but too complex to be practical. +questionnary
> needs to be revised to a better form. Take a look at some advice for
> forming a questionarre if you decide to go forward with it.
>
> /josef
>
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:20:07 +0100
>> From: Pat M?chler  <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact
>>        and Information List
>> Message-ID:
>>        <CAHpaog15dAkbD7G7YqP+TA+qwj0=KfrfdMObomMJgycNFSN-gQ at mail.gmail.com
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Thanks Josef!
>> Have you checked through the ones at (embedded in the PPI website)?
>> http://pp.3025-game.de/rss2.php?lang=en
>> http://pp.3025-game.de/helper.htm
>>
>> Also this may become handy for a project that has been intended long
>> ago, which should be kind of a CRM (not only for PPI members)
>> https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-scout
>> http://valio.ch/ppi-scout-mockup.php
>>
>> -pat
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
>> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> just created a new contact list for Pirate Parties in different
>> countries. I
>>> have an old one with a lot more information that will be checked and
>>> transferred if still accurate.
>>> I just counted 47 countries with active Pirate Parties (in varying
>> degrees).
>>> Will take me a while to go through everything and update myself which is
>> why
>>> I ask for your help.
>>>
>>> Please update as much as possible
>>> here:?http://bit.ly/ppcontacts?(double-check that information is
>> accurate
>>> before editing)
>>>
>>> If you feel something is inaccurate or you think that some categories I
>> used
>>> are strange/wrong we can take that discussion on this mail list. Anything
>>> else that should be added?
>>>
>>> Kindly,
>>> Josef
>>>
>>> --
>>> International Representative for PPSE
>>> Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
>> someone
>>> in Piratpartiet or internationally.
>>>
>>> Contact:
>>> mail:?international at piratpartiet.se
>>> Twitter: @collentine
>>> irc.pirateirc.net?user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
>>> Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
>>> phone: +52?55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>
>> --
> *International Contact for PPSE*
> Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of someone
> in Piratpartiet or internationally.
>
> *Other contact:*
> mail: international at piratpartiet.se
> Twitter: @collentine
> irc.pirateirc.net user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
> Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
> phone: +52 55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:51:18 -0600
> From: Josef Ohlsson Collentine <international at piratpartiet.se>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact and
> 	Information List
> Message-ID:
> 	<CADPtX5xov7x-xCz0=hSXe-oCCS0xn725wQLd7d79EC+Lib2aug at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Thanks for the help. Starting to look better now but still a lot left. If
> you have time over you could help me fill out another party than your own
> on the list: http://bit.ly/ppcontacts
>
> @Pat
> Looked through that list and several other sources and extracted the ones I
> felt were still active. I few on that PPI list are very dead right now...
> As I mentioned earlier I have an old contact list (similar to this one but
> more complete) that I created long ago. Advantage of starting new is I can
> check to make sure everything is up
>
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:20:07 +0100
>> From: Pat M?chler  <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact
>>        and Information List
>> Message-ID:
>>        <CAHpaog15dAkbD7G7YqP+TA+qwj0=KfrfdMObomMJgycNFSN-gQ at mail.gmail.com
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Thanks Josef!
>> Have you checked through the ones at (embedded in the PPI website)?
>> http://pp.3025-game.de/rss2.php?lang=en
>> http://pp.3025-game.de/helper.htm
>>
>> Also this may become handy for a project that has been intended long
>> ago, which should be kind of a CRM (not only for PPI members)
>> https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-scout
>> http://valio.ch/ppi-scout-mockup.php
>>
>> -pat
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
>> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> just created a new contact list for Pirate Parties in different
>> countries. I
>>> have an old one with a lot more information that will be checked and
>>> transferred if still accurate.
>>> I just counted 47 countries with active Pirate Parties (in varying
>> degrees).
>>> Will take me a while to go through everything and update myself which is
>> why
>>> I ask for your help.
>>>
>>> Please update as much as possible
>>> here:?http://bit.ly/ppcontacts?(double-check that information is
>> accurate
>>> before editing)
>>>
>>> If you feel something is inaccurate or you think that some categories I
>> used
>>> are strange/wrong we can take that discussion on this mail list. Anything
>>> else that should be added?
>>>
>>> Kindly,
>>> Josef
>>>
>>> --
>>> International Representative for PPSE
>>> Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
>> someone
>>> in Piratpartiet or internationally.
>>>
>>> Contact:
>>> mail:?international at piratpartiet.se
>>> Twitter: @collentine
>>> irc.pirateirc.net?user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
>>> Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
>>> phone: +52?55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>
>> --
> *International Contact for PPSE*
> Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of someone
> in Piratpartiet or internationally.
>
> *Other contact:*
> mail: international at piratpartiet.se
> Twitter: @collentine
> irc.pirateirc.net user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
> Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
> phone: +52 55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 19:51:34 +0100
> From: Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> 	<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Cc: rafa Couto <rafacouto at gmail.com>, 	Ultano Pe?a <ultano at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some
> 	updates about the conference
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This is a message made by the members of public relations team for
PP-GAL. It is agreed by all the members of mentioned team and we want to
send it through our link in this mailing list of PPI members so it must
be understood in the name of PP-GAL party and not from the sender who
forwards this message.

Since there were direct references to PP-GAL in this list and the way we
organize ourselves in Spain, we consider it is important to be heard in
our oppinion before of the rest of pirates parties of the world.

First of all, we would like to say we are 2 months old as a political
party in Spain and our foundation is based on the structure of Spain as
a country formed by autonomies as such established in the Spanish
Constitution Act [1] in article #148 in order to organize ourselves in
the Spaniard territory. Moreover we have our own idiosyncrasy as
language and culture quite different from other spaniard territories.
Therefore we are an approved political party by the competent Ministry
with same rights and duties as PP-ES and PP-CAT.

As Kenneth from PP-CAT said in other previous message, we are
encouraging a confederation at country level to organize common tasks
that affect us as a nation such the cases of #megacomplaint and
#opColapso (fighting against Sinde-Wert law [2]) that we are supporting
PP-ES, PP-CAT and PP-GAL. Last week we have created a mailing list
called pirata-34 to discuss those affairs.

Regarding the subject about who can vote as a country or by the amount
of pirate members, we consider system of countries is not fair precisely
because of proportion of the population densities and pirates members. A
possible fair solution (as a suggestion) to this matter could be that
depending on the number of members from each pirate party, each party
will provide a proportional amount of the contingency fund of PPI, as
well, each party would have the proportional weight in PPI decisions.

Refering to mentions about how to organize internally the different
pirate parties in Spain, we considered that this mailing list is not the
appropiate place to discuss about it, so we are not going to declare
anything here.

[1] http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/IDIOMAS/9/Espana/LeyFundamental/index.htm
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde

Public Relations Team of PP-GAL
http://piratasdegalicia.org/web/
> If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in catalonia, as your local tentacle... Do you realize that this will be seen as an aggression by most pp-cat members, do you? if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time and let's start a war right now.
>
>
> And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that song of 'getting close' for 3 years so far... I remember you that you need a general assembly to change so, with a 90% qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never reach that qourum until there's only 3 members :(
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
> Eduardo Perdices <edupergar at gmail.com> escribi?:Hello,
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat> wrote:
> Hi Justus,
>
> ...
>
> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked like its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly it fucked up and got frozen again... Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality since 2006.
>
> This is not true, we are changing our statutes right now, in fact, I'm doint it myself. 
> ?
>
>
> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain, to define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one), where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid, Andalucia or whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become members of the confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.
>
> Chance of confederating with other PPI members is already included on our new statutes, we just need to approve it in about 3 months. Besides, the rest of regions are not going to be federated regional parties, but associations inside PP-ES.
> ?
>
> However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't agree something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL would be able to achieve full membership status.
>
> On summer our new statutes will be ready, there is no need to change anything.
> ?
>
> This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the admission of new PPI members in places like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state but have completely independent politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>
> If we are confederated with PP-CAT and PP-GAL we will have activity in these territories because we will have associations there, but we will collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we won't present candidatures there alone.
> ?
>
> Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kenneth Peiruza
> Pirates de Catalunya
> http://pirata.cat
>
>
> Bye.
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