[pp.int.general] pirate movement scout [was: RE: An International Pirate Party Contact and Information List]

Sat Mar 3 13:32:33 CET 2012

actually you answered to something different than what I was asking :-P

but I think it's important to point out that it was never the
intention that the PPI board is doing all the work; they were just
intended to be the ones responsible for what is done in the name of
the legal person of PPI.

just to point that out. I think I agree with most of what you write
(but haven't read it in close detail; I'm currently at the Swiss PP
GA)

-pat

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
> Hey all
>
> I think instead of putting more tasks on a board that has never worked well
> (mainly because too many people dropped out, not meant as an offense to
> those who were/are members of the board and worked hard) we should get more
> volunteers to work administrative tasks. The international newsletter that
> Colentine is setting up is a good example for this.
> I think we should encourage normal pirates (not just PPI delegates) for
> tasks like this. Keeping in touch with a few board members (or Checking
> wikis if they are set up and updated on things like member counts) of
> various pirate parties is not that much of a task, if we have 10 people who
> are taking responsibility of updating the information of 5 PPs each we
> should be able to keep track of 50 pirate parties.
>
> I think what we need to do is find out why 'the swarm' has not worked as
> well on a super-national level when it comes to pirate parties, and
> encourage more people to take an interest in this kind of matters. This
> involves translating (which admittedly is working quite well), sorting and
> updating information for newsletters and in wikis, help to put NGOs that are
> close to the PP movement like Pirate Gaming, Musikpiraten, Pirates without
> borders, young pirates or the various pirate podcasts on an international
> level by translating works and in general doing advertisement for them, and
> so on. This is working remarkably well on a national level in more than one
> country, and the ACTA protests for example, or Rick Falkvinge's blog, show
> that international coordination is totally possible in these fields,
> independently of any official structure or organization.
> Now, it is not the task of PPI to provide all of this, especially not of the
> board. Many of the infrastructure (pads, wikis, PWB) and contents
> (Musikpiraten) is readily available. We, as people that are somewhat
> interested in seeing our topics to be brought to an inter- and/or
> supernational level, as well as in international cooperation in general (I
> am assuming here of course) are responsible for that in the end.
>
> As long as the interest by most ordinary members to support the officials
> that are elected into the PPI board or organize various NGOs connected to
> Pirate ideology is low we are fighting a steep uphill battle here. I would
> go as far as saying that much of the trouble the PPI board has had so far
> could have been avoided by having a volunteer workforce double their size
> (which is relatively modest, ask anybody who's working for the German board)
> to fullfill tasks.
>
> -J
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Pat Mächler
> <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
>> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
>> > @Pat
>> > Looked through that list and several other sources and extracted the
>> > ones I
>> > felt were still active. I few on that PPI list are very dead right
>> > now...
>>
>> of course not all pirate initiatives, groups and parties are kept alive
>> IMO it's difficult if the PPI board (or similar) checks all of them on
>> a regular basis; instead it should be updated by the groups themselves
>> on a regular basis and only checked for data sanity. thus some system
>> would be useful (it could be way easier of course).
>>
>> > Scout looks like a good idea but too complex to be practical.
>> > +questionnary
>> > needs to be revised to a better form. Take a look at some advice for
>> > forming
>> > a questionarre if you decide to go forward with it.
>>
>> could you be more specific about those 2 things?
>> it is work in progress
>> most of the data is to some extend necessary from my POV
>>
>> what do you mean by a "better form"?
>> the mock-up was done with a script from the pad text ;-)
>> aspects such as an intuitive structure, design and usability aspects
>> of the system are not addressed yet therein.
>>
>> -pat
>>
>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:20:07 +0100
>> >> From: Pat M?chler  <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net>
>> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> >>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact
>> >>        and Information List
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >>  <CAHpaog15dAkbD7G7YqP+TA+qwj0=KfrfdMObomMJgycNFSN-gQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Josef!
>> >> Have you checked through the ones at (embedded in the PPI website)?
>> >> http://pp.3025-game.de/rss2.php?lang=en
>> >> http://pp.3025-game.de/helper.htm
>> >>
>> >> Also this may become handy for a project that has been intended long
>> >> ago, which should be kind of a CRM (not only for PPI members)
>> >> https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-scout
>> >> http://valio.ch/ppi-scout-mockup.php
>> >>
>> >> -pat
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
>> >> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > just created a new contact list for Pirate Parties in different
>> >> > countries. I
>> >> > have an old one with a lot more information that will be checked and
>> >> > transferred if still accurate.
>> >> > I just counted 47 countries with active Pirate Parties (in varying
>> >> > degrees).
>> >> > Will take me a while to go through everything and update myself which
>> >> > is
>> >> > why
>> >> > I ask for your help.
>> >> >
>> >> > Please update as much as possible
>> >> > here:?http://bit.ly/ppcontacts?(double-check that information is
>> >> > accurate
>> >> > before editing)
>> >> >
>> >> > If you feel something is inaccurate or you think that some categories
>> >> > I
>> >> > used
>> >> > are strange/wrong we can take that discussion on this mail list.
>> >> > Anything
>> >> > else that should be added?
>> >> >
>> >> > Kindly,
>> >> > Josef
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > International Representative for PPSE
>> >> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
>> >> > someone
>> >> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.
>> >> >
>> >> > Contact:
>> >> > mail:?international at piratpartiet.se
>> >> > Twitter: @collentine
>> >> > irc.pirateirc.net?user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
>> >> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
>> >> > phone: +52?55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ____________________________________________________
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>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >> >
>> >>
>> > --
>> > International Contact for PPSE
>> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
>> > someone
>> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.
>> >
>> > Other contact:
>> > mail: international at piratpartiet.se
>> > Twitter: @collentine
>> > irc.pirateirc.net user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
>> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
>> > phone: +52 55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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