[pp.int.general] pirate movement scout [was: RE: An International Pirate Party Contact and Information List]

Sat Mar 3 13:23:56 CET 2012

Hey all

I think instead of putting more tasks on a board that has never worked well
(mainly because too many people dropped out, not meant as an offense to
those who were/are members of the board and worked hard) we should get more
volunteers to work administrative tasks. The international newsletter that
Colentine is setting up is a good example for this.
I think we should encourage normal pirates (not just PPI delegates) for
tasks like this. Keeping in touch with a few board members (or Checking
wikis if they are set up and updated on things like member counts) of
various pirate parties is not that much of a task, if we have 10 people who
are taking responsibility of updating the information of 5 PPs each we
should be able to keep track of 50 pirate parties.

I think what we need to do is find out why 'the swarm' has not worked as
well on a super-national level when it comes to pirate parties, and
encourage more people to take an interest in this kind of matters. This
involves translating (which admittedly is working quite well), sorting and
updating information for newsletters and in wikis, help to put NGOs that
are close to the PP movement like Pirate Gaming, Musikpiraten, Pirates
without borders, young pirates or the various pirate podcasts on an
international level by translating works and in general doing advertisement
for them, and so on. This is working remarkably well on a national level in
more than one country, and the ACTA protests for example, or Rick
Falkvinge's blog, show that international coordination is totally possible
in these fields, independently of any official structure or organization.
Now, it is not the task of PPI to provide all of this, especially not of
the board. Many of the infrastructure (pads, wikis, PWB) and contents
(Musikpiraten) is readily available. We, as people that are somewhat
interested in seeing our topics to be brought to an inter- and/or
supernational level, as well as in international cooperation in general (I
am assuming here of course) are responsible for that in the end.

As long as the interest by most ordinary members to support the officials
that are elected into the PPI board or organize various NGOs connected to
Pirate ideology is low we are fighting a steep uphill battle here. I would
go as far as saying that much of the trouble the PPI board has had so far
could have been avoided by having a volunteer workforce double their size
(which is relatively modest, ask anybody who's working for the German
board) to fullfill tasks.

-J

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Pat Mächler <
patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> > @Pat
> > Looked through that list and several other sources and extracted the
> ones I
> > felt were still active. I few on that PPI list are very dead right now...
>
> of course not all pirate initiatives, groups and parties are kept alive
> IMO it's difficult if the PPI board (or similar) checks all of them on
> a regular basis; instead it should be updated by the groups themselves
> on a regular basis and only checked for data sanity. thus some system
> would be useful (it could be way easier of course).
>
> > Scout looks like a good idea but too complex to be practical.
> +questionnary
> > needs to be revised to a better form. Take a look at some advice for
> forming
> > a questionarre if you decide to go forward with it.
>
> could you be more specific about those 2 things?
> it is work in progress
> most of the data is to some extend necessary from my POV
>
> what do you mean by a "better form"?
> the mock-up was done with a script from the pad text ;-)
> aspects such as an intuitive structure, design and usability aspects
> of the system are not addressed yet therein.
>
> -pat
>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:20:07 +0100
> >> From: Pat M?chler  <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net>
> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> >>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact
> >>        and Information List
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >>  <CAHpaog15dAkbD7G7YqP+TA+qwj0=KfrfdMObomMJgycNFSN-gQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> Thanks Josef!
> >> Have you checked through the ones at (embedded in the PPI website)?
> >> http://pp.3025-game.de/rss2.php?lang=en
> >> http://pp.3025-game.de/helper.htm
> >>
> >> Also this may become handy for a project that has been intended long
> >> ago, which should be kind of a CRM (not only for PPI members)
> >> https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-scout
> >> http://valio.ch/ppi-scout-mockup.php
> >>
> >> -pat
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
> >> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > just created a new contact list for Pirate Parties in different
> >> > countries. I
> >> > have an old one with a lot more information that will be checked and
> >> > transferred if still accurate.
> >> > I just counted 47 countries with active Pirate Parties (in varying
> >> > degrees).
> >> > Will take me a while to go through everything and update myself which
> is
> >> > why
> >> > I ask for your help.
> >> >
> >> > Please update as much as possible
> >> > here:?http://bit.ly/ppcontacts?(double-check that information is
> >> > accurate
> >> > before editing)
> >> >
> >> > If you feel something is inaccurate or you think that some categories
> I
> >> > used
> >> > are strange/wrong we can take that discussion on this mail list.
> >> > Anything
> >> > else that should be added?
> >> >
> >> > Kindly,
> >> > Josef
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > International Representative for PPSE
> >> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
> >> > someone
> >> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.
> >> >
> >> > Contact:
> >> > mail:?international at piratpartiet.se
> >> > Twitter: @collentine
> >> > irc.pirateirc.net?user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
> >> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
> >> > phone: +52?55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ____________________________________________________
> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >> >
> >>
> > --
> > International Contact for PPSE
> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
> someone
> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.
> >
> > Other contact:
> > mail: international at piratpartiet.se
> > Twitter: @collentine
> > irc.pirateirc.net user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
> > phone: +52 55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
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> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >
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