[pp.int.general] pirate movement scout [was: RE: An International Pirate Party Contact and Information List]

Sat Mar 3 19:06:12 CET 2012

Moin all

After reading Pat's and my Email again I come to the conclusion that I got
somewhat carried away, sorry for that.

My Email was not meant as an attack against the structures that are in
place now, or against the people that work within those structures. It was
more meant as a call for action, as I think that what PPI is lacking the
most atm is volunteers, and that it would be dangerous if we were to put
more workload on an seemingly overworked board.

Appologies if anybody got offended, I did not mean to question the hard
work most members of the board put into PPI, or even the reasons of many
people that dropped out of the board.

Kind regards

-J

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Pat Mächler <
patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:

> actually you answered to something different than what I was asking :-P
>
> but I think it's important to point out that it was never the
> intention that the PPI board is doing all the work; they were just
> intended to be the ones responsible for what is done in the name of
> the legal person of PPI.
>
> just to point that out. I think I agree with most of what you write
> (but haven't read it in close detail; I'm currently at the Swiss PP
> GA)
>
> -pat
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
> > Hey all
> >
> > I think instead of putting more tasks on a board that has never worked
> well
> > (mainly because too many people dropped out, not meant as an offense to
> > those who were/are members of the board and worked hard) we should get
> more
> > volunteers to work administrative tasks. The international newsletter
> that
> > Colentine is setting up is a good example for this.
> > I think we should encourage normal pirates (not just PPI delegates) for
> > tasks like this. Keeping in touch with a few board members (or Checking
> > wikis if they are set up and updated on things like member counts) of
> > various pirate parties is not that much of a task, if we have 10 people
> who
> > are taking responsibility of updating the information of 5 PPs each we
> > should be able to keep track of 50 pirate parties.
> >
> > I think what we need to do is find out why 'the swarm' has not worked as
> > well on a super-national level when it comes to pirate parties, and
> > encourage more people to take an interest in this kind of matters. This
> > involves translating (which admittedly is working quite well), sorting
> and
> > updating information for newsletters and in wikis, help to put NGOs that
> are
> > close to the PP movement like Pirate Gaming, Musikpiraten, Pirates
> without
> > borders, young pirates or the various pirate podcasts on an international
> > level by translating works and in general doing advertisement for them,
> and
> > so on. This is working remarkably well on a national level in more than
> one
> > country, and the ACTA protests for example, or Rick Falkvinge's blog,
> show
> > that international coordination is totally possible in these fields,
> > independently of any official structure or organization.
> > Now, it is not the task of PPI to provide all of this, especially not of
> the
> > board. Many of the infrastructure (pads, wikis, PWB) and contents
> > (Musikpiraten) is readily available. We, as people that are somewhat
> > interested in seeing our topics to be brought to an inter- and/or
> > supernational level, as well as in international cooperation in general
> (I
> > am assuming here of course) are responsible for that in the end.
> >
> > As long as the interest by most ordinary members to support the officials
> > that are elected into the PPI board or organize various NGOs connected to
> > Pirate ideology is low we are fighting a steep uphill battle here. I
> would
> > go as far as saying that much of the trouble the PPI board has had so far
> > could have been avoided by having a volunteer workforce double their size
> > (which is relatively modest, ask anybody who's working for the German
> board)
> > to fullfill tasks.
> >
> > -J
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Pat Mächler
> > <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
> >> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> >> > @Pat
> >> > Looked through that list and several other sources and extracted the
> >> > ones I
> >> > felt were still active. I few on that PPI list are very dead right
> >> > now...
> >>
> >> of course not all pirate initiatives, groups and parties are kept alive
> >> IMO it's difficult if the PPI board (or similar) checks all of them on
> >> a regular basis; instead it should be updated by the groups themselves
> >> on a regular basis and only checked for data sanity. thus some system
> >> would be useful (it could be way easier of course).
> >>
> >> > Scout looks like a good idea but too complex to be practical.
> >> > +questionnary
> >> > needs to be revised to a better form. Take a look at some advice for
> >> > forming
> >> > a questionarre if you decide to go forward with it.
> >>
> >> could you be more specific about those 2 things?
> >> it is work in progress
> >> most of the data is to some extend necessary from my POV
> >>
> >> what do you mean by a "better form"?
> >> the mock-up was done with a script from the pad text ;-)
> >> aspects such as an intuitive structure, design and usability aspects
> >> of the system are not addressed yet therein.
> >>
> >> -pat
> >>
> >> >> Message: 2
> >> >> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:20:07 +0100
> >> >> From: Pat M?chler  <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net>
> >> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> >> >>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact
> >> >>        and Information List
> >> >> Message-ID:
> >> >>
> >> >>  <CAHpaog15dAkbD7G7YqP+TA+qwj0=KfrfdMObomMJgycNFSN-gQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks Josef!
> >> >> Have you checked through the ones at (embedded in the PPI website)?
> >> >> http://pp.3025-game.de/rss2.php?lang=en
> >> >> http://pp.3025-game.de/helper.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> Also this may become handy for a project that has been intended long
> >> >> ago, which should be kind of a CRM (not only for PPI members)
> >> >> https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-scout
> >> >> http://valio.ch/ppi-scout-mockup.php
> >> >>
> >> >> -pat
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
> >> >> <international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > just created a new contact list for Pirate Parties in different
> >> >> > countries. I
> >> >> > have an old one with a lot more information that will be checked
> and
> >> >> > transferred if still accurate.
> >> >> > I just counted 47 countries with active Pirate Parties (in varying
> >> >> > degrees).
> >> >> > Will take me a while to go through everything and update myself
> which
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > why
> >> >> > I ask for your help.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please update as much as possible
> >> >> > here:?http://bit.ly/ppcontacts?(double-check that information is
> >> >> > accurate
> >> >> > before editing)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you feel something is inaccurate or you think that some
> categories
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > used
> >> >> > are strange/wrong we can take that discussion on this mail list.
> >> >> > Anything
> >> >> > else that should be added?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Kindly,
> >> >> > Josef
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > International Representative for PPSE
> >> >> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
> >> >> > someone
> >> >> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Contact:
> >> >> > mail:?international at piratpartiet.se
> >> >> > Twitter: @collentine
> >> >> > irc.pirateirc.net?user: collentine (always there but slow
> responses)
> >> >> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
> >> >> > phone: +52?55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ____________________________________________________
> >> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> >> >
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> > --
> >> > International Contact for PPSE
> >> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of
> >> > someone
> >> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.
> >> >
> >> > Other contact:
> >> > mail: international at piratpartiet.se
> >> > Twitter: @collentine
> >> > irc.pirateirc.net user: collentine (always there but slow responses)
> >> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)
> >> > phone: +52 55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ____________________________________________________
> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >> >
> >> ____________________________________________________
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> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
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