[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference
Thomas Gaul
thomas.gaul at pp-international.net
Sun Mar 4 16:23:43 CET 2012
Am 04.03.2012 16:15, schrieb Kenneth Peiruza:
> Daniel, please, stop personal attacks. This is your way of doing in
> every list where you are subscribed: Spain, Madrid and here as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
Hi @all!
Let us come back to important items.
I am sure we will all meet us in Praque and there will be enough
opportunity to discuss any issue face to face.
Despite any misunderstanding, different point of view, you name it - we
are Pirates and are supposed to be different to others. Even in
tolerance. #hope #peace
Best to you all!
Thomas
>
> On 04/03/12 14:30, Daniel Riaño wrote:
>> I'll keep it short, to avoid annoying the rest of the list with
>> Kenneth Peiruza's issues with the Spanish PP. If there is really an
>> investigation going on of the sort he say, then he knows more than I
>> do about the functioning of my party, and I am a member of the
>> directive board. I know a friend of Peiruza's is trying to push an
>> investigation with such rubbish, but to my knowledge it remains to be
>> seen if it is taken in account at all. I do know what I do, and I did
>> not an initiative of the kind he mentions. It is not that I am for or
>> against it. It simply never happened.
>>
>> Kenneth has a long record of false accusations, wrongful assertions
>> and mean innuendos against PP ES and its members and, when called out
>> to clarify the evidence behind his words, he doesn't feel obliged to
>> substantiate his sayings, which is one of the reasons I firmly hold
>> him as a unreliable cantankerous liar.
>>
>> I do feel sorry that his party has never produced a public note
>> detaching themselves, as a party, from such raucous individual, who
>> is constantly torpedoing the relations between PP CAT and PP ES, and
>> now is trying fortune in Galicia as well.
>>
>> I'll stop it here This has nothing to do with the PPI, and I have a
>> life to live.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/4 Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>>
>>
>> Please Daniel, avoid sending me emails. You're being investigated
>> to be punished for your lack of respect to your fellas in your
>> own party...
>>
>> You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any
>> double affiliates... the only two pirates not double-affiliates
>> in Catalonia were an insane guy who was pushed away from most
>> PP-ES and PP-CAT mailing lists (and died 4 months ago), and your
>> mate at former's PP-ES bureau who spied the treasurer's email,
>> made a nasty job with your nowadays untrustable census and
>> torpedoed any kind of agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he
>> was the "official contact". He even sent to trash most emails
>> asking for cooperation/agreement sent by David Arcos.
>>
>> If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to dissolve it.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kenneth
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote:
>>> 2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat
>>> <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>>
>>>
>>> If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in catalonia,
>>> as your local tentacle... Do you realize that this will be
>>> seen as an aggression by most pp-cat members, do you? if
>>> that's your plan, lets stop wasting time and let's start a
>>> war right now.
>>> pir
>>>
>>> Waw! Is it like this among you...? I mean, you say "Waaaaar"
>>> and all the Catalans put their helmets on and take their
>>> grandfathers' guns, and rumble the streets. feeew! amazing, to
>>> say the least.
>>>
>>> Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In fact, the Catalan
>>> arm of Pirata (we prefer the word arm to tentacle, you see)
>>> existed *before* the so called PP CAT and nobody went to war
>>> when part of the catalan affiliates went their Catalan way (many
>>> of them having a double affiliation still now). So soft are we
>>> nowadays.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that song of
>>> 'getting close' for 3 years so far... I remember you that
>>> you need a general assembly to change so, with a 90%
>>> qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never reach that qourum
>>> until there's only 3 members :(
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kenneth
>>>
>>>
>>> Eduardo Perdices <edupergar at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:edupergar at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza
>>> <kenneth at pirata.cat <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Justus,
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last
>>> years... It looked like its new bureau was fixing it,
>>> but suddenly_it fucked up and got frozen again._..
>>> Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality
>>> since 2006.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not true, we are changing our statutes right now, in
>>> fact, I'm doint it myself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation
>>> in Spain, to define basic rules for common candidatures
>>> (like EU parliament's one), where PP-ES can have
>>> federated regional parties like Madrid, Andalucia or
>>> whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become
>>> members of the confederation, being PP-ES itself one of
>>> the confederation members.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chance of confederating with other PPI members is already
>>> included on our new statutes, we just need to approve it in
>>> about 3 months. Besides, the rest of regions are not going
>>> to be federated regional parties, but associations inside PP-ES.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus,
>>> if we can't agree something before PPI's GA, we will
>>> probably propose an statute modification, changing
>>> "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL would
>>> be able to achieve full membership status.
>>>
>>>
>>> On summer our new statutes will be ready, there is no need
>>> to change anything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This modification would ease the integration of parties
>>> PP-CAT and PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that
>>> it's not going to present candidatures/lead activity in
>>> these territories, and easing the admission of new PPI
>>> members in places like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan,
>>> Irak's Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state but have
>>> completely independent politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>>>
>>>
>>> If we are confederated with PP-CAT and PP-GAL we will have
>>> activity in these territories because we will have
>>> associations there, but we will collaborate with PP-GAL and
>>> PP-CAT and we won't present candidatures there alone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Kenneth Peiruza
>>> Pirates de Catalunya
>>> http://pirata.cat <http://pirata.cat/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bye.
>>>
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