[pp.int.general] PPEU at the PPI GA

[Kenneth Peiruza]

On 08/03/12 11:27, mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:25:32 +0100, "Heiko Schramm"
> <heiko.schramm11 at gmx.de>
> wrote:
>> Hallo Pirates,
>>  
>> I’m a European – and I feel like a European.
>> You can read this in my homepage
>> http://www.global-working.de/index_en.html
>>  
>> If you build a European Pirate Party I want to be a member of this
>> party.
>> I would like to pay a membership fee for this party beyond my membership
>> fee for the Pirate Party Germany.
> If there was no way to be an individual member the European Pirate Party
> with individual voting rights, but an option to be a registered Donor that
> contributes to the party, would that still be interresting?
I would personally be interested, but not as fan as if I could have my
own voice & vote there as an individual.
>> If we can’t have a party, let’s start with a Mailinglist or an european
>> wiki or an european homepage.
>> Let’s start to create a statute and a first program for a European
>> Pirate Party.
>>  
>> In Germany there is no delegation system in the whole Pirate Party.
>> Why can’t we build an european party without delegation through national
>> Pirate Parties?
> We could, but what would be the function of such a party? If we look at
> the EU elections they are still based on national parties, so if we want to
> coordinate those elections it has to be based on coordination between
> parties, not between individuals.
Well, that is one of its functions. Another one might be acting as a
citizen lobby for any European Institution related to us.
>> My proposal: Every European, who wants to join in, can do this. 
>> And from the moment someone is a member, he or she can vote on all
>> europaen affairs, beyond a membership in a national Pirate Party.  
> Vote on what European affairs? Where? Is there any interest in voting for
> what opinions an organization that don't partake in elections should have?
That can help a lot to make grow smaller PPs. Let's think, for instance,
that on topics were PP-SE / PPI doesn't hold a defined position, let's
say highways, i.e. to let pirate members of all the EU to propose what
to vote and in some % let it influence Ergnstrom and Amelia's votes
would rock.

That way, current people would feel empowered with right to vote in EU
Parliament's decisions, so, our membership figures would boost all
across the EU.

I.e., let's say that every Pirate Party has its own MEP (PP-SE:
Ergnstrom) and if they get more than 1 (Amelia), then the latter can be
influenced in some % by the direct vote of PP-SE members and another %
by pirate party members all across Europe: i.e. 2/3rds - 1/3rd. In any
case, as much as possible for you to accept.

That would give a strong message of direct grass-root participation,
PP's unity, a value-added reason to become a pirate party member and an
example of bypassing/hacking hierarchical organizations like
EU-Parliament like did in other places where PP's make usage of
direct/liquid democracy to decide what does people want to do outside of
the Pirate Ideology.

>>  
>> Is there anyone interested in an European Pirate Party organized from
>> the base?

Check the pads, you'll find a lot of stuff already written there:
https://eu.piratenpad.de/table-of-contents
>> If we are 20 people we can start. Call on me.  
>>  
>> Best regards 
>> Heiko Schramm
>> Pirate Party Germany
>> http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Heiko_Schramm
>>  

Regards,

Kenneth