[pp.int.general] Germany Arrests Paul Watson

[Marcus Kesler]

I don't think Paul Watson is much of a pirate issue. Environmental
issues are not a core issue of the Pirate Party in my opinion, and while
I like Paul Watson and respect him for his courage he does not pull any
punches admitting that what he does is often on the wrong side of the law.

Of course the actual decisions are up to the individual pirate parties
and their members, but I don't think that Paul Watson should be an issue
that the Pirate Parties go after.

I am perfectly fine with raising awareness about his arrests though, and
maybe even share information about how to get more info and how to help
if so inclined as long as Watson does not become a Pirate Party cause.

Marcus Kesler
Pirate Party of Oklahoma

On 5/15/2012 8:30 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
> Al 16/05/12 03:01, En/na Mozart ha escrit:
>> I was under the impression that the Pirate Ideology was to protect
>> civil liberties online and off. This includes unfair trials and
>> extradition in my opinion – this is not really an environmental issue,
>> but a consideration of whether this is "right". I don't think Travis
>> was expecting Pirate Parties to run off and form policy on these sorts
>> of things, but individual Pirates may have an interest in this.
>>
>> Pirates come from all sorts of other movements. Anonymous, Occupy,
>> Catalan Separatist, LGBT rights, and I'm sure many former Greens Party
>> supporters. To disregard things as being "not Pirate issues" would be
>> like telling Richard Stallman that no one is interested in the FSF –
>> some Pirates are!
>>
> 
> Sorry man, if you talk about Catalan Sepatarism thinking in PP-CAT,
> you're really wrong. In fact, we have the same amount of separatists as
> Catalan society has: 50%, as shown in our member's polls.
> 
> In fact, 90% of PP-CAT members are in favor of an Independence
> referendum (exactly the same figure as other Catalan population
> surveys), whilst only 2% was in favor of including separatism in PP-CAT
> topics (so, most PP-CAT members like to keep that topic for
> direct/liquid democracy.
> 
> Just to make it clear: in Spain it's quite common to have a party in
> Catalonia and brother-one in the rest of the state. Even the Spanish
> unionists have a separated party in some regions with separatists (PP -
> UPN, IU - ICV ). Even PP and PSOE have their local branches in
> Catalonia, with some degree of autonomy and even confronting views in
> some topics. We aren't separatists, neither a political anomaly.
> 
> And back to topic, if the extradition is "irregular", as we defend civil
> liberties and fair trials, IMO, we should oppose it. If this is like
> some of you say, it's not so different to Assange's extradition case.
> 
> Should we defend Assange because he's in Wikileaks and leave any other
> injustice ignored? no way.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kenneth Peiruza
> (speaking as any other pirate)
> 
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