[pp.int.general] Don't roast our planet

[Charly Pache]

Dear Jack, we agree, science is based on evidence, not feelings or legal
justifications.
And I don't see the expected scientific evidence.

So I played my part, there was a sun scientist who predicted we are going
into a 30 years period of colder temperatures, we just have to wait to see
whether he was right. Please note that the IPCC predictions of 1998 didn't
happened, thought they assumed there were scientific evidence and a lot of
peer-reviewed litterature.

Best greetings from 4°C Switzerland. Charly

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Jack Allnutt <j.allnutt at pirateparty.org.uk
> wrote:

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> On 17/05/2012 09:47, Charly Pache wrote:
> > Sorry, but I read a lot on this topic, and many scientists disagree,
> many many and more and more, you have to stop reading only main stream
> media that only repeat the same story again and again. It's like saying
> ACTA is good because 90%+ of the lawyers in the field say it's good. The
> fact is that the more you read about this subject on the point of view
> of different sciences (sun specialists, dendrology, ice carrots, geology
> and so on), and then you compare it with the computer model of the IPCC
> (and you know all that changing a single parameter can have tremendous
> consequences, and that's it is impossible to make a realistic model of
> the climate), you start to really doubt about the man-made cause of the
> warming, which occurs, but not of 2°C in the last 70 years as said
> before. The real scientific approach is to make a real literature review
> and not say there is a consensus, there was a consensus about Earth
> being flat once.. we should never stop researching.
>
> Your analogy with ACTA is flawed. Scientists don't just take an opinion
> and argue it. Science is based on evidence, not feelings or legal
> justifications.
>
> You say that "The real scientific approach is to make a real literature
> review" and that is *exactly* what the IPCC does. I'd advise you to stop
> "reading more" unsubstantiated blogs and dissenting "scientists" and
> concentrate on the peer-reviewed literature.
>
> > And by the way, what do the politicians do with the IPCC global warming
> assertion? Raise taxes. And create a business market for CO2 emission.
> And where do the money of these taxes go? Most of it do not go into
> environmental projects at all (it's like this in Switzerland at least)
> but fill other budget holes. So even if the idea seems noble, please
> look closer, please look behind the curtains.
>
> As I said in my last e-mail, correlation does not imply causation. Just
> because the response to the science is bad this does not mean that the
> science is bad. Help propose alternative measures to reduce climate
> change that really do help. Help stop the ones that don't.
>
> > And not to mention that it's better to have a warmer climate than a
> colder climate, we can protect ourselves from heat, not from cold.
>
> Absolute codswallop.
>
> > I think many other political do something about environment already,
> more or less, but almost none of them do something to protect the
> consummers from all the chemical shit the food industry puts into our
> plates or around (aspartame and other sweeteners, teflon, bisphenol and
> many others). This is really where the pirate party could get sympathy,
> eventually financing further studies on these topics.
>
> By all means promote studies and scientific investigations into these
> topics, but don't assume that unnatural == bad.
>
> - -- Jack
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