[pp.int.general] Don't roast our planet

[Justus Römeth]

(while you leave out all the other negative side effects of our CO2 usage,
btw.)

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:

> Now you just sound childish while making up hypothetical scenarios that
> suit your weird arguments, tbh. If our resources were that strained we'd be
> f'cked either way. This is not a Roland Emmerich movie!
>
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Charly Pache <charly.pache at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The argument is that human kind has a limited amount of energy, resource
>> and time and it's better to put focus on the most efficient ways of
>> reaching our goal. In a limited world, we have to prioritize and yes, these
>> two things could be mutually exclusive if we realize we have to put all
>> your resources in one solution or the other. So my argument is an argument,
>> definitely.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> As others have stated, reducing CO2 emissions is a worthy goal even if
>>> they are not responsible for global warming. At the same time we have to
>>> plan for the scenario that we will not be able to stop global warming
>>> whatever we do, and act accordingly. Those two things are not mutually
>>> exclusive, so your argument is not really an argument at all.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Charly Pache <charly.pache at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, it was just insinuating that i'm ignorant that i didn't like, and
>>>> transforming my words to let think i said something i never said.
>>>>
>>>> One last thought about this topic.
>>>>
>>>> Imagine one day, in let say 20 years, we realize the main cause of the
>>>> global warming was not C02, but sun fluctuation.
>>>>
>>>> And that we suddenly realize that during the last 20 years we took
>>>> measures to cut-off C02 emissions and that these heavy measures didn't stop
>>>> global warming at all cos in fact, we didn't analyse toroughouly the topic
>>>> at the beginning and we blindly accepted for granted the C02 theory, even
>>>> if we didn't have all the necessary data.
>>>>
>>>> That's dangerous. Because then will realize we lost 20 years into
>>>> looking for other solutions, like this one [1] or these ones [2][3], in the
>>>> case the sun would be the cause.
>>>>
>>>> Take care, warm thoughts ;) Charly
>>>>
>>>> [1] Obama climate adviser open to geo-engineering to tackle global
>>>> warming:
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/08/geo-engineering-john-holdren
>>>> [2] Geoengineering experiment cancelled amid patent row (15th May
>>>> 2012!, please note that climate engineering is not yet allowed under
>>>> international law):
>>>> http://www.nature.com/news/geoengineering-experiment-cancelled-amid-patent-row-1.10645
>>>> [3] A (not so up-to-date) list of geoengineering patents filed by many
>>>> private corporations (and i didn't say it's bad, if situation on Earth will
>>>> be unbearable, we will have to raise the issue):
>>>> http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/patents.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     Re-read my messages please, I never said there is no global
>>>>> warming going
>>>>>    on, on the contrary, we argued here on whether it was really man
>>>>> made or
>>>>>    natural, like it could be assumed as the other planets in our solar
>>>>> system
>>>>>    get warmer as well. And I never said 4°C in Switzerland is the
>>>>> proof that
>>>>>    there is no global warming
>>>>>
>>>>> By mentioning it in this discussion, you presented it as relevant to
>>>>> the issue.  If you misspoke, you can say so and people will disregard
>>>>> that apparent meaning.  But don't criticize people for responding for
>>>>> what you appear to say.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr Richard Stallman
>>>>> President, Free Software Foundation
>>>>> 51 Franklin St
>>>>> Boston MA 02110
>>>>> USA
>>>>> www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
>>>>> Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
>>>>>  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
>>>>>
>>>>
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