[pp.int.general] [pp-eu] Party IT systems.. - the back ends..

Tue May 29 00:57:34 CEST 2012

Of course there are sometimes higher powers. But it is unusual for them to
take out good parts of a biggish team (and the IT-team of a Pirate Party
should be nothing to sneeze at ;-) [Says the social scientist that never
even installed Linux])

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Andy Halsall
<a.halsall at pirateparty.org.uk>wrote:

> On Monday 28 May 2012 19:48:07 Justus Römeth wrote:
> > Yeah great officers/volunteers would not just drop out ;-)
>
> True, but they do get dumped on and eventually can end up taking a step
> back,
> or get hit by a bus, or ill, or have kids (surprise!) etc..  It does put
> lots
> of eggs in a few baskets and doesn't help in delegation (And then it gets
> compelx..).
>
> But agreed to a certain extent.
> >
> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Andy Halsall
> >
> > <a.halsall at pirateparty.org.uk>wrote:
> > > On Monday 28 May 2012 18:21:56 Justus Römeth wrote:
> > > > Mailing Lists (plural) and Redmine certainly helped us, but in the
> end
> > > > party-wide communication is just very iffy or nearly impossible with
> a
> > > > certain size.
> > >
> > > I've looked at redmine and it didn't seem to fit, or rather would
> > > introduce fairly large admin overhead and make it hard to simply
> > > delegate stuff out (providing a system only works if it gets used after
> > > all, we just shut down a
> > > feng-office install on the basis of non-use).
> > >
> > > > There certainly is no 'one-size-fits-all' approach,
> > > > especially as soon as you start to attract 'offliners'.
> > >
> > > True.
> > >
> > > > Having great
> > > > elected party officers with big teams of volunteers behind them
> > > > certainly helps keeping somehow track of things happening.
> > >
> > > Yeah that's kind of where we have been, the problem comes if people
> drop
> > > out,
> > > we lose where we are with stuff, which is less than helpful.
> > >
> > > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Andy Halsall
> > > >
> > > > <a.halsall at pirateparty.org.uk>wrote:
> > > > > Hey ho,
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking for some ideas on coordination and campaigns support from
> an
> > > > > IT perspective.  I've been evaluating Things like groupware
> > > > > packages, civicrm and
> > > > > other crm packages and a couple of project apps, but haven't found
> > > > > anything that ticks even most of the boxes yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wondered what people were aware of that might make the following
> > >
> > > easier:
> > > > >        1a. Inbound Communications (tracking inbound communications
> to
> > > > >
> > > > > teams and
> > > > > making sure that follow ups happen and can be handed between
> people).
> > > > >
> > > > >        1b. Outbound Communications (the ability to drop out
> mailings
> > > > >        to
> > > > >
> > > > > groups
> > > > > based on some criteria - location, membership, interests etc..)
> > > > >
> > > > >        2. Task management, the delegation of and acceptance of
> 'stuff
> > > > >        that
> > > > >
> > > > > needs
> > > > > to be done' within a team.
> > > > >
> > > > >        3. Reporting on and tracking of the effectiveness of our
> > >
> > > actions,
> > >
> > > > > whether
> > > > > that's a specific campaign or event.  This should also include
> things
> > > > > like donation and membership payments being linked to a 'thing' if
> > >
> > > there
> > >
> > > > > was a thing that caused the donation/membership.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At the moment we are using calendars, forums and mailing list and a
> > >
> > > wiki,
> > >
> > > > > but
> > > > > as we get more people coming in for contact it's getting harder to
> > > > > use sensibly and delegation is not as simple as it could be.
> > > > > Essentially
> > >
> > > we
> > >
> > > > > are
> > > > > making our lives harder than they need to be when it comes to
> > > > > organisation online.
> > > > >
> > > > > We also have a mild issue in the way we are organised for
> elections,
> > >
> > > that
> > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > to say because it's all FPTP and very local much of the time, we
> have
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > > be able make use of this to get pretty granular, down to areas that
> > > > > are essentially small town sized, especially for issues, whilst
> > > > > still being able
> > > > > to task national resources for support...
> > > > >
> > > > > So, any ideas? What are others doing?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Andy Halsall
> > > > > Campaigns Officer
> > > > > Pirate Party UK
> > > > > +44 (0) 7505111705
> > > > >
> > > > > For more information on the Pirate Party UK, please visit our
> website
> > >
> > > at
> > >
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> press
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> please
> > > > > email the
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> a
> > > > > political
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> > > > > Kingdom.
> > > > >
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> > > --
> > > Andy Halsall
> > > Campaigns Officer
> > > Pirate Party UK
> > > +44 (0) 7505111705
> > >
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> at
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> > > Kingdom.
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> --
> Andy Halsall
> Campaigns Officer
> Pirate Party UK
> +44 (0) 7505111705
>
> For more information on the Pirate Party UK, please visit our website at
> http://www.pirateparty.org.uk.  If you wish to receive regular press
> statements from the Party (or no longer wish to receive them) please email
> the
> Press Office at press at pirateparty.org.uk.  The Pirate Party UK is a
> political
> party registered at 11, 45 Streatham Hill, London, SW2 4TS, United Kingdom.
>
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