[pp.int.general] R: Liquid Feedback in Italian Primetime Tv Show

[Carlito]

Hi Charly! 

Thanks for having tested, analyzed and studied the platform! 
The anonymity is only for the visibility during the proposals but not in our
database. 
We based the certification of people in the platform on the "Rete dei
Donatori": the "net of donors" is a database of 100 000 people that donated
to the show some money in the past years. We created an Association for them
(called Associazione Servizio Pubblico e legally recognized) so every single
user is a real person! 
I think this is the most exciting part of the project: it's almost a
political party! And of course it has all the characteristics of the Pirate
Party! 

For carlo von lynx' and lilo's problems and trolling:
It's very easy to understand: it's just a matter of jealousy/envy. 
The Italian PP should just say "thank you" for the massive communication
benefit and a lot of them I'm in contact with did so. 
They are totally terrified that I'm a "strong" personality in the Italian
Pirate movement and in the liquid democracy topic because I just have some
credibility (more than them for sure) for the work I do and my bio in the
media/communication/journalism field.  Nothing special: I just work in my
life and it seems this is making some differences :)
So don't lose too much time with them.

Best,

Carlito 

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net
> [mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Per conto di
> Charly Pache
> Inviato: mercoledì 21 novembre 2012 02:01
> A: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> Oggetto: Re: [pp.int.general] Liquid Feedback in Italian Primetime Tv Show
> 
> Sorry about this but I disagree. What he did is a real interesting case
study.
> Anyway, there is not a lot of interest in creating many accounts, as they
use
> this tool just to get ideas, in an informal way, being anonymous is not
> important as well because the suggestions, concepts developped are more
> important. Then they followed a politician during a campaign day and told
> him what the people suggested and recorded his answers (if i did
understand
> well as it was in italian). There was a direct impact from and feedback
for all
> who used the liquid feedback platform, that's awsome. So, don't worry so
> much about 'rules', as pirates we know that trying and adapting is part of
the
> learning process, as creativity is.
> 
> Charly Pache
> 
> PS: i tried your <30'000 trick, but it didn't work, by the way..
> 
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM, carlo von lynX
> <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:21:37AM +0100, Hugo POINTILLART wrote:
> >> I'd like to have a bit more info about your project, i understand
> >> that
> >
> > it is the ultimate gamification of liquid feedback.. if there ever
> > were rules posted on liquidfeedback.org on how to deploy the software,
> > carlito broke them all and more..
> >
> > basically to obtain access you just go to
> > http://partitoliquido.serviziopubblico.it/lf/index/register.html
> > and insert something like 0000nnnnn where nnnnn is below approx 30000
> >
> > in most cases you can then register an anonymous user.
> > of course you can repeat the process as often as you like.
> > by consequence, nothing on that platform will ever be of any
> > relevance. it's just silly.
> >
> > hopefully it will not damage the reputation of lqfb or the pirate
> > party although everything carlito has done in the past has been
> > qualified in that sense.