[pp.int.general] Pirate Party of Serbia is Finally Officially Registered

Thu Nov 29 23:40:39 CET 2012

For at least two or maybe more years I worked with people who tried to
register Pirate party of Serbia and witnessed at least three attempts of
very optimistic people who wonted to start building something on the basis
of true democracy - liquid feedback.

Every time we started working on that Aleksandar interrupted our work with
mental abuse of other Pirates. And succeeded with his plan.

Too long I gathered the shattered peaces of people who tried to work with
him and left because they couldn't stand the abuse any more. If he was
normal, or at least bearable we would have now an official Pirate party
with our lows the way they are.

WE ARE REGISTERED AS AN ASSOCIATION
http://pretraga.apr.gov.rs/udruzenja/AssociationBusinessData.aspx?beid=6086658&rnd=400E93944B02D2E66798677D257BFB4781613E49as
only way it was possible. We did for less then a few mounts something
Aleksandar and his crew refused to do for four years.

I must say that even in our country abuse is punishable by low and if he or
any of his mates continues to threaten anybody as they did until now
(referring to the statement that he is going to kill somebody, bury her and
burn her with napalm) they will be sued. As I said it has gone too far.

Since I was one of the victims of his mental abuse I can say that he
doesn't respect human rights. And never will.

End in the end, since I am an activist for six years working closely with
all minority groups I can say that he only remembers somebody's rights when
there are journalists around and that kind of personality makes me sick.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Zoran Z <weborad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> What Marko is saying is misleading and untrue.
>
> At this moment there are two pirate groups in Serbia and both call
> themselves Pirate Party, but there is no registered Pirate Party in
> Serbia and that is a fact
> (sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Политичке_странке_у_Србији<http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D1%83_%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B8>
> ).
>
> Pirate Party of Serbia, which you've all known for years
> (http://piratskapartija.com), and is already a member and one of the
> founders of PPI
> (
> http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/images/a/a6/Statutes_of_the_Pirate_Parties_International.pdf
> ),
> still exists and is quite active on a national and regional level. It
> was established in 2008 by Aleksandar Blagojevic, who was also a board
> member of PPI in 2010/2011
> (
> http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki//index.php?title=PPI_Board/Old&oldid=5982
> ),
> but who is now just a member of the Pirate Party of Serbia and the fact
> that he is the founder of the PP does not afford him any privilege. So,
> please stop personalizing the problem.
>
> The other group which also call themselves Pirate Party of Serbia
> (http://piratska.org), where Marko belongs now, has been established in
> September from the small group of members of the 'original' PP of Serbia
> after a difference in opinion about supporting the rights of the LGBT
> groups to organize Pride March in Belgrade. They were strongly against
> it and they even published an official statement to the public based on
> the votes of only 10 people (7:3).
>
> That voting was organized exclusively for the so called 'core team'
> (self proclaimed 'elite' group of pirates which was not elected in any
> democratic way. To be accurate there was no election whatsoever for that
> 'body') and they were opposed to discussion on the problem of organizing
> voting among all party members.
>
> PP of Serbia (http://piratskapartija.com) could not accept this decision
> which we consider to be against pirate principles and against the
> Serbian Constitution which guarantees those rights for all citizens and
> minorities, including sexual minorities. Because of this we were forced
> to remove the "core team" from the party structure and support the Pride
> March.
>
> After this the group around piratska.org literally stole the database,
> website and facebook page from Pirate Party of Serbia, bought a new
> domain and replicated PP's website on that new domain. They are still
> sending/spaming emails to all members of the original PP from the stolen
> database even though no one registered or opted-in on the domain
> piratska.org. For example they are still spamming my inbox.
>
> The legal statute of this new "Pirate Party" is an NGO (which can be at
> any time registered by only 5 Serbian citizens) called "Pirate
> Movement". At this moment there are about 16.000 registered NGOs like
> that and saying that it is a legal party is simply not true. They are
> registered as an NGO for 'Improvement of civil right and education of
> citizens'. Funny thing is that they are improving civil rights by
> promoting the ban of Pride March and hate speech and racism towards the
> Roma population, of which we have several documented cases.
>
> Question is why the Pirate Movement present and call themselves Pirate
> Party when they already have their name? As I can see, Marko and people
> from piratska.org are trying to steal the identity of Pirate Party of
> Serbia, which exists 6 years, while their organization exists only 2
> months.
>
> For more information about us and our activities over the last six years
> you can visit:
> http://wiki.pp-international.net/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia
> https://piratskapartija.piratenpad.de/meeting-minutes
>
> My best,
> Zoran Zivkovic
> Pirate Party of Serbia
> http://piratskapartija.com
> zoran.zivkovic at piratskapartija.com
> weborad at gmail.com
>
> On 11/29/2012 04:24 PM, mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se wrote:
> > Marko:
> >
> > Thank you for the information. I'm looking forward to read your
> > statutes and minutes when you've found the time to translate them.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Mab
> >
> > On 2012-11-28 12:06, Marko Mitrovic wrote:
> >> Hello Mattias.
> >>
> >> There is only one Pirate Party in Serbia wih legal status, and that
> >> is already mentioned "Pirate Movement" in form of civil movement.
> >> Whatever Aleksandar mentioned are vague and overly optimistic plans at
> >> best. And yes, technically speaking we both "claim" to represent true
> >> PPRS.
> >>
> >> In last email I forgot to mention that for the first time in five
> >> years of existence, Pirates of Serbia democratically chose leadership,
> >> or more precise positions within our civil movement, at our
> >> Constituent Assembly month or so ago.
> >>
> >> We dont have English versions of our statue nor minutes from
> >> Constituent Assembly, but we can translate them and will do so in
> >> coming day/weeks.
> >>
> >> Just to one more time underline that there is only one legal entity
> >> representing Pirates in Serbia at the moment.
> >>
> >> Best regards.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM, <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am a bit confused.
> >>>
> >>> If I understand it correctly there is currently one Serbian Pirate
> >>> party that has the legal status of a civil movement, mentioned in
> >>> the email from Marko, and one Serbian Pirate Party that has the
> >>> legal status of something else/nothing (?), mentioned from
> >>> Aleksandar. Is this correct? And both claim to represent the true
> >>> Serbian pirate party?
> >>>
> >>> Well, PPI demands that a member organization have internal
> >>> democratic structure, so I suppose that a quick way to see who
> >>> actually is the true Serbian pirate party is by at the next PPI GA
> >>> ask for the statutes and minutes from the last general assembly of
> >>> both entities claiming to be the Serbian pirates.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I would be very interested to see English versions of the
> >>> statutes for these organizations allready at this time if any such
> >>> exists or can be produced.
> >>>
> >>> I would also like to see a list of board members for both
> >>> organizations and the minutes from the meeting where they were elected.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>> Mab
> >>>
> >
> >
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