[pp.int.general] Pirate Party of Serbia is Finally Officially Registered
Aleksandar Blagojevic
piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com
Fri Nov 30 02:02:44 CET 2012
Godwin now: Nazis would never been defeated if human rights fighters
were throwing flowers on them.
Flamewars like this (same refers to our local ones beginning this year)
damage our organizations, public perception and this people's mailboxes.
I beg you (all the people of ngo you belong) to stop this ridicule,
proudly promote your newly registered ngo with your __real__ name and
style, file a lawsuit against me if you find it necessary and stop all
this weird bursts of frustrations.
Aleksandar, PPRS
On 11/29/2012 11:40 PM, Maja Asanovic wrote:
> For at least two or maybe more years I worked with people who tried to
> register Pirate party of Serbia and witnessed at least three attempts
> of very optimistic people who wonted to start building something on
> the basis of true democracy - liquid feedback.
>
> Every time we started working on that Aleksandar interrupted our work
> with mental abuse of other Pirates. And succeeded with his plan.
>
> Too long I gathered the shattered peaces of people who tried to work
> with him and left because they couldn't stand the abuse any more. If
> he was normal, or at least bearable we would have now an official
> Pirate party with our lows the way they are.
>
> WE ARE REGISTERED AS AN ASSOCIATION
> http://pretraga.apr.gov.rs/udruzenja/AssociationBusinessData.aspx?beid=6086658&rnd=400E93944B02D2E66798677D257BFB4781613E49
> as only way it was possible. We did for less then a few mounts
> something Aleksandar and his crew refused to do for four years.
>
> I must say that even in our country abuse is punishable by low and if
> he or any of his mates continues to threaten anybody as they did until
> now (referring to the statement that he is going to kill somebody,
> bury her and burn her with napalm) they will be sued. As I said it has
> gone too far.
>
> Since I was one of the victims of his mental abuse I can say that he
> doesn't respect human rights. And never will.
>
> End in the end, since I am an activist for six years working closely
> with all minority groups I can say that he only remembers somebody's
> rights when there are journalists around and that kind of personality
> makes me sick.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Zoran Z <weborad at gmail.com
> <mailto:weborad at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> What Marko is saying is misleading and untrue.
>
> At this moment there are two pirate groups in Serbia and both call
> themselves Pirate Party, but there is no registered Pirate Party in
> Serbia and that is a fact
> (sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Политичке_странке_у_Србији
> <http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D1%83_%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B8>).
>
> Pirate Party of Serbia, which you've all known for years
> (http://piratskapartija.com), and is already a member and one of the
> founders of PPI
> (http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/images/a/a6/Statutes_of_the_Pirate_Parties_International.pdf),
> still exists and is quite active on a national and regional level. It
> was established in 2008 by Aleksandar Blagojevic, who was also a board
> member of PPI in 2010/2011
> (http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki//index.php?title=PPI_Board/Old&oldid=5982),
> but who is now just a member of the Pirate Party of Serbia and the
> fact
> that he is the founder of the PP does not afford him any
> privilege. So,
> please stop personalizing the problem.
>
> The other group which also call themselves Pirate Party of Serbia
> (http://piratska.org), where Marko belongs now, has been
> established in
> September from the small group of members of the 'original' PP of
> Serbia
> after a difference in opinion about supporting the rights of the LGBT
> groups to organize Pride March in Belgrade. They were strongly against
> it and they even published an official statement to the public
> based on
> the votes of only 10 people (7:3).
>
> That voting was organized exclusively for the so called 'core team'
> (self proclaimed 'elite' group of pirates which was not elected in any
> democratic way. To be accurate there was no election whatsoever
> for that
> 'body') and they were opposed to discussion on the problem of
> organizing
> voting among all party members.
>
> PP of Serbia (http://piratskapartija.com) could not accept this
> decision
> which we consider to be against pirate principles and against the
> Serbian Constitution which guarantees those rights for all
> citizens and
> minorities, including sexual minorities. Because of this we were
> forced
> to remove the "core team" from the party structure and support the
> Pride
> March.
>
> After this the group around piratska.org <http://piratska.org>
> literally stole the database,
> website and facebook page from Pirate Party of Serbia, bought a new
> domain and replicated PP's website on that new domain. They are still
> sending/spaming emails to all members of the original PP from the
> stolen
> database even though no one registered or opted-in on the domain
> piratska.org <http://piratska.org>. For example they are still
> spamming my inbox.
>
> The legal statute of this new "Pirate Party" is an NGO (which can
> be at
> any time registered by only 5 Serbian citizens) called "Pirate
> Movement". At this moment there are about 16.000 registered NGOs like
> that and saying that it is a legal party is simply not true. They are
> registered as an NGO for 'Improvement of civil right and education of
> citizens'. Funny thing is that they are improving civil rights by
> promoting the ban of Pride March and hate speech and racism
> towards the
> Roma population, of which we have several documented cases.
>
> Question is why the Pirate Movement present and call themselves Pirate
> Party when they already have their name? As I can see, Marko and
> people
> from piratska.org <http://piratska.org> are trying to steal the
> identity of Pirate Party of
> Serbia, which exists 6 years, while their organization exists only
> 2 months.
>
> For more information about us and our activities over the last six
> years
> you can visit:
> http://wiki.pp-international.net/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia
> https://piratskapartija.piratenpad.de/meeting-minutes
>
> My best,
> Zoran Zivkovic
> Pirate Party of Serbia
> http://piratskapartija.com
> zoran.zivkovic at piratskapartija.com
> <mailto:zoran.zivkovic at piratskapartija.com>
> weborad at gmail.com <mailto:weborad at gmail.com>
>
> On 11/29/2012 04:24 PM, mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se
> <mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> > Marko:
> >
> > Thank you for the information. I'm looking forward to read your
> > statutes and minutes when you've found the time to translate them.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Mab
> >
> > On 2012-11-28 12:06, Marko Mitrovic wrote:
> >> Hello Mattias.
> >>
> >> There is only one Pirate Party in Serbia wih legal status, and that
> >> is already mentioned "Pirate Movement" in form of civil movement.
> >> Whatever Aleksandar mentioned are vague and overly optimistic
> plans at
> >> best. And yes, technically speaking we both "claim" to
> represent true
> >> PPRS.
> >>
> >> In last email I forgot to mention that for the first time in five
> >> years of existence, Pirates of Serbia democratically chose
> leadership,
> >> or more precise positions within our civil movement, at our
> >> Constituent Assembly month or so ago.
> >>
> >> We dont have English versions of our statue nor minutes from
> >> Constituent Assembly, but we can translate them and will do so in
> >> coming day/weeks.
> >>
> >> Just to one more time underline that there is only one legal entity
> >> representing Pirates in Serbia at the moment.
> >>
> >> Best regards.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM,
> <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se
> <mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am a bit confused.
> >>>
> >>> If I understand it correctly there is currently one Serbian Pirate
> >>> party that has the legal status of a civil movement, mentioned in
> >>> the email from Marko, and one Serbian Pirate Party that has the
> >>> legal status of something else/nothing (?), mentioned from
> >>> Aleksandar. Is this correct? And both claim to represent the true
> >>> Serbian pirate party?
> >>>
> >>> Well, PPI demands that a member organization have internal
> >>> democratic structure, so I suppose that a quick way to see who
> >>> actually is the true Serbian pirate party is by at the next PPI GA
> >>> ask for the statutes and minutes from the last general assembly of
> >>> both entities claiming to be the Serbian pirates.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I would be very interested to see English versions
> of the
> >>> statutes for these organizations allready at this time if any such
> >>> exists or can be produced.
> >>>
> >>> I would also like to see a list of board members for both
> >>> organizations and the minutes from the meeting where they were
> elected.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>> Mab
> >>>
> >
> >
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I prefer to have options, rather than plans.
Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks <http://blaeks.wordpress.com/>
Pirate party of Serbia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia>
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