[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 67, Issue 32

Mon Oct 1 17:29:49 CEST 2012

Hi Muriel,

Sorry for the delay but there were a lot of replies (most of them out of
topic!)... I think yours was the one with the best proposal/idea to try to
solve this bad situation.

I confirm that my certificator is Carlo Brancati and some members of the PP
IT are making an horrible campaign against him. I can tell you that the
truth is only that he's very popular in the media/communication field in
Italy and they are afraid he could take the control of the party.

He's the one who certified and bring the more people in the PP IT and he's
making a lot of interviews about liquid democracy on Corriere della Sera,
Wired and other main Italian newspapers.
But the problem is that the party didn't say "thank you"... They tried to
expulse him!

Can you please provide me an official email and/or contact for the PPI...?

Kind regards,

Pilar

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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:32:01 +0200
> From: MRE <muriel at pirata.cat>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Italian Pirate Party - Scandal
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> Dear Pilar,
>
> So, if I understood well, to register to the Italian Pirate Party you
> need that someone who is already a member somehow certifies the new
> members.
>
> And all these people that you represent and want to vote in the
> Italian liquid feedback system have been certified in particular by
> Carlo Brancati, who has been, if I understood correctly, at least
> partly banned from some PP-IT lists and the liquid feedback system
> through a voting in the liquid feedback itself?
>
> For the PPI to issue any kind of arbitration on this issue, all
> parties (the people who want to become members, PP-IT, and the PPI
> itself) should agree that this is what they want. Then I guess a
> comission of qualified volunteers or something of the sort should be
> formed so that they can investigate the matter in depth.
>
> Any opinion we state in this list is basically useless, because PPI
> does not rule over the parties, and this list does not represent PPI
> anyway. I believe that if you all want/accept PPI as an arbitrator you
> should send a formal request to the board.
>
> Best regards,
>
>                 Muriel
>
>
>
> 2012/9/25 Pilar Saavedra <pilarsaavedra.p at gmail.com>:
> > Dear PP International,
> >
> >
> >
> > I represent here 35 people from various fields (IT professionals,
> > Journalists and Media/Communication Managers) that are waiting to be
> > inserted in the Italian Pirate Party since 3 months now.
> >
> > We have been regularly certified and we paid the subscription fees.
> >
> > You can find all the forms with original signatures here:
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/caafv4ianc7l7fg/RE6_FBQTqN
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem is clear: the subscription would give us also the right to
> vote
> > in Liquid Feedback witch is binding and fully decisional by Statutes for
> the
> > PP IT.
> >
> > So it?s quite clear that the Liquid Feedback administrator is not
> inserting
> > us because he?s afraid that we will vote against his (or his group of
> > friends?) proposals and we could take the control of the Party?
> >
> >
> >
> > Isn?t this a real paradox and scandal for a Party that wants to promote
> > transparency, openness and liquid democracy?
> >
> > I really hope that someone from the PP Int can take charge of this
> because
> > it?s simply destroying the Pirates? reputation even at an international
> > level.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Pilar Saavedra
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:00:28 +0200
> From: Aleksandar Blagojevic <piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Italian Pirate Party - Scandal
> Message-ID: <50619CDC.2080205 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> +1 on Muriel's email
>
> About "Serbian case", it is solved. Racists like Jelena Jovanovic (sad
> but true, she is still engaged with PPI, which opens another serious
> question) and homophobes are out and banned from Serbian Pirate Party.
>
> We are sailing steady now.
>
> *I see that additional informations on our "case" are needed. they are
> ready, and they will follow soon
> **this "chase" for PPI legitimization and whining for membership is
> rather interesting (since PPI board has at least one very questionable
> person), PPI is becoming TV-style myth of public legitimization imho
>
> On 09/25/2012 01:32 PM, MRE wrote:
> > Dear Pilar,
> >
> > So, if I understood well, to register to the Italian Pirate Party you
> > need that someone who is already a member somehow certifies the new
> > members.
> >
> > And all these people that you represent and want to vote in the
> > Italian liquid feedback system have been certified in particular by
> > Carlo Brancati, who has been, if I understood correctly, at least
> > partly banned from some PP-IT lists and the liquid feedback system
> > through a voting in the liquid feedback itself?
> >
> > For the PPI to issue any kind of arbitration on this issue, all
> > parties (the people who want to become members, PP-IT, and the PPI
> > itself) should agree that this is what they want. Then I guess a
> > comission of qualified volunteers or something of the sort should be
> > formed so that they can investigate the matter in depth.
> >
> > Any opinion we state in this list is basically useless, because PPI
> > does not rule over the parties, and this list does not represent PPI
> > anyway. I believe that if you all want/accept PPI as an arbitrator you
> > should send a formal request to the board.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >                 Muriel
> >
> >
> >
> > 2012/9/25 Pilar Saavedra <pilarsaavedra.p at gmail.com>:
> >> Dear PP International,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I represent here 35 people from various fields (IT professionals,
> >> Journalists and Media/Communication Managers) that are waiting to be
> >> inserted in the Italian Pirate Party since 3 months now.
> >>
> >> We have been regularly certified and we paid the subscription fees.
> >>
> >> You can find all the forms with original signatures here:
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/caafv4ianc7l7fg/RE6_FBQTqN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The problem is clear: the subscription would give us also the right to
> vote
> >> in Liquid Feedback witch is binding and fully decisional by Statutes
> for the
> >> PP IT.
> >>
> >> So it?s quite clear that the Liquid Feedback administrator is not
> inserting
> >> us because he?s afraid that we will vote against his (or his group of
> >> friends?) proposals and we could take the control of the Party?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Isn?t this a real paradox and scandal for a Party that wants to promote
> >> transparency, openness and liquid democracy?
> >>
> >> I really hope that someone from the PP Int can take charge of this
> because
> >> it?s simply destroying the Pirates? reputation even at an international
> >> level.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Pilar Saavedra
> >>
> >>
> >> ____________________________________________________
> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>
>
> --
> I prefer to have options, rather than plans.
> Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks <http://blaeks.wordpress.com/>
> former PPI board member
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Parties_International>
> founder of Pirate party of Serbia
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia>
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