[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Anton Nordenfur]

Den 24 September 2012 16:50:10 skrev Kenneth Peiruza:
> You are right, it isn't a core value of all PP's.
>
> I'd love to see how many of us are in favor of direct/liquid
> democracy. Probably we're all but 5 parties out of 50, considering a
> PP even something which is still only a facebook page.
>
> And as far as I know, 2 non direct-democracy driven parties are on its
> way to review its ideology: PP-UK and PP-SE.
>
> It might be interesting to vote about this in every PP around the
> globe, as this is the only point that makes us different from any
> other political movement around (the greens have assimilated all
> PP-SE's program), and lets us campaign for every hot topic in the
> public agenda.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
>
>
> Al 24/09/12 16:24, En/na Mattias Bjärnemalm ha escrit:
>> Direct democracy is not a core value of all pirate parties.
>>
>> /Mab
>>
>>
>>
>> Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com> skrev:
>>
>>
>> Introduction, I am helping the pirate party Netherlands, Belgium and
>> France with International coordination.
>> At this moment these PP are growing so quick from a small (a few
>> dozen pirates) number to a big (1000 and more) number that there are
>> obvious organisational problems.
>>
>> My point is that I can not get rid of the impression that the chaos
>> is basicly around the fear of loosing the true Pirate
>> principles/values due this change. So what are the true pirate values
>> clearly defined?
>> In my search I come
>> to http://int.piratenpartei.de/Uppsala_Declaration#Uppsala_Declaration the
>> Uppsala declaration. Here I find the pirate values
>> being *described *but not *defined*. So I give it a try to get a
>> *synthesis*.
>>
>>
>> So if I am not mistaking the PP objectives are:
>>
>> 1- Transparent governing and all public organisations have to become
>> transparent as well.
>>
>> 2- Direct democracy and participation of all citizens.
>>
>> 3- A complete review of the copyrights and patenting system.
>>
>> 4- Protection and guarantee of privacy and safety.
>>
>> 5- In consideration with point 4 the freedom on information,
>> education and knowledge.
>>
>>
>> These need surely additional wording but firstly do they need more
>> core points ?
>> -Anouk-
>>
>>
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"It might be interesting to vote about this in every PP around the 
globe, as this is the only point that makes us different from any other 
political movement around (the greens have assimilated all PP-SE's 
program), and lets us campaign for every hot topic in the public 
agenda."

No, no, no. I really don't want a centralised decision made for the 
local parties. Inform and convince the parties, sure, but don't try to 
push it on them.

--
Anton Nordenfur, PP-SE
<anton at nordenfur.se>