[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Andrew Norton]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com> wrote:
> Introduction, I am helping the pirate party Netherlands, Belgium and France
> with International coordination.
> At this moment these PP are growing so quick from a small (a few dozen
> pirates) number to a big (1000 and more) number that there are obvious
> organisational problems.
>
> My point is that I can not get rid of the impression that the chaos is
> basicly around the fear of loosing the true Pirate principles/values due
> this change. So what are the true pirate values clearly defined?

I did attempt to try and cover that last year
http://falkvinge.net/2011/11/13/three-policies-to-rule-them-all/

> In my search I come to
> http://int.piratenpartei.de/Uppsala_Declaration#Uppsala_Declaration the
> Uppsala declaration. Here I find the pirate values being described but not
> defined. So I give it a try to get a synthesis.

Ugh, less said about that the better. As a group we seem to have a
collective meltdown when it comes to international conferences. This
year we were so busy piddling about on trivial junk and being ignorant
of the rules of the event, that a lot of stuff that was REQUIRED to be
done, wasn't, and what was done was done REALLY badly. Likewise that
declaration was well intentioned, but a complete disaster in terms of
transparency and accountability and a failure of the process.

>
>
> So if I am not mistaking the PP objectives are:
>
> 1- Transparent governing and all public organisations have to become
> transparent as well.
>
> 2- Direct democracy and participation of all citizens.

Bleh. This has turned into endless bureaucracy, and what's starting to
move into mob-rule. Often Ends up becoming a means to rubber-stamp
emotive issues, rather than a fact-driven investigative leadership
process.

I have a feeling it'll be a fad, and will be abandoned as unsuccessful
within 5 years.

Andrew
sent from my Android

>
> 3- A complete review of the copyrights and patenting system.
>
> 4- Protection and guarantee of privacy and safety.
>
> 5- In consideration with point 4 the freedom on information, education and
> knowledge.
>
>
> These need surely additional wording but firstly do they need more core
> points ?
> -Anouk-
>