[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Andrew Norton]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Andrew, thanks for your honesty. But I am a but-head (representing
> the average voter :)
>
>  So I try again third time, it is a layered core:
>
> Basic inner core:Total Access =>Copy=>Paste=>Use=>Share
>
> First layer around: Change the society fundamentally.
>
> Second layer around: Abolishment patent and copyright systems.
>
> Third layer around: Protection privacy, right to self-determination,
> including the body and forming relationships. Freely accessible education,
> information and knowledge.
>
> Could that work ?

Kinda
However, generally the third layer should be in the second place.
And generally we're for REFORM not abolition
This was pretty clear when we did a review of the party platforms a
few years back
http://wiki.pp-international.net/Pirate_Manifesto_parties_at_a_glance

Andrew
-Sent from my Android.

> -Anouk
>
> On 24 September 2012 18:29, Andrew Norton <ktetch at ktetch.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Nor accurate.
>>
>> Mob rule (aka 'direct democracy') hasn't even been around or
>> considered for more than 1-2 years (3 at most) less than half the age
>> of the pirate movement. It's not been a 'core part of the pirate
>> philosophy'. Might be the case in one or two parties, but others just
>> started flirting with it.
>>
>> The problem is, it leads to emotive discourse rather than intellectual
>> discourse. It gives the power to those who can best emotionally
>> manipulate others, rather than those who make the most factual
>> arguments. If you want to see what sort of thing that leads to, check
>> out the current US election campaigning. As a result, you've got poor
>> Romney who is having to promise to repeal the recent healthcare
>> reforms to appease his supporters, despite it being a near carbon copy
>> of what he implemented in Massachusetts to great success a few years
>> ago. It's how the Patriot Act came to be, and the Nude-o-scopes at the
>> airports.
>> It's a dangerous slope to start down.
>>
>> Fact-based leadership should be the way forward, and while 'liquid
>> democracy' may not be mutually exclusive with it, it's certainly
>> diametrically opposite. In fact, every time I think about LD, a term
>> from a Harry Turtledove novel pops into my head - 'snout-counting'.
>>
>> Andrew
>> -sent from my Android
>
>
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