[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Anouk Neeteson]

Thanks Andrew, thanks for your honesty. But I am a but-head (representing
the average voter :)

 So I try again third time, it is a layered core:

*Basic inner core*:Total Access =>Copy=>Paste=>Use=>Share

*First layer around*: Change the society fundamentally.
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*Second layer around*: Abolishment patent and copyright systems.

*Third layer around*: Protection privacy, right
to self-determination, including the body and forming relationships.
Freely accessible education, information and knowledge.

Could that work ?
-Anouk

On 24 September 2012 18:29, Andrew Norton <ktetch at ktetch.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Nope.
>
> Nor accurate.
>
> Mob rule (aka 'direct democracy') hasn't even been around or
> considered for more than 1-2 years (3 at most) less than half the age
> of the pirate movement. It's not been a 'core part of the pirate
> philosophy'. Might be the case in one or two parties, but others just
> started flirting with it.
>
> The problem is, it leads to emotive discourse rather than intellectual
> discourse. It gives the power to those who can best emotionally
> manipulate others, rather than those who make the most factual
> arguments. If you want to see what sort of thing that leads to, check
> out the current US election campaigning. As a result, you've got poor
> Romney who is having to promise to repeal the recent healthcare
> reforms to appease his supporters, despite it being a near carbon copy
> of what he implemented in Massachusetts to great success a few years
> ago. It's how the Patriot Act came to be, and the Nude-o-scopes at the
> airports.
> It's a dangerous slope to start down.
>
> Fact-based leadership should be the way forward, and while 'liquid
> democracy' may not be mutually exclusive with it, it's certainly
> diametrically opposite. In fact, every time I think about LD, a term
> from a Harry Turtledove novel pops into my head - 'snout-counting'.
>
> Andrew
> -sent from my Android
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