[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Andrew Norton]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com> wrote:
> So I try again, it is a layered core:
>
> Basic inner core:Total Acces=>Copy=>Paste=>Use=>Share
>
> First layer around: Change the society fundamentally.
>
> Second layer around: Direct participation on governing.
>
> Third layer around: Abolishment patent and copyright systems.
>
> Fourth layer around: Protection privacy, right to self-determination,
> including the body and forming relationships. Freely accessible education,
> information and knowledge.
>
>
>
> Does this make more sense?

Nope.

Nor accurate.

Mob rule (aka 'direct democracy') hasn't even been around or
considered for more than 1-2 years (3 at most) less than half the age
of the pirate movement. It's not been a 'core part of the pirate
philosophy'. Might be the case in one or two parties, but others just
started flirting with it.

The problem is, it leads to emotive discourse rather than intellectual
discourse. It gives the power to those who can best emotionally
manipulate others, rather than those who make the most factual
arguments. If you want to see what sort of thing that leads to, check
out the current US election campaigning. As a result, you've got poor
Romney who is having to promise to repeal the recent healthcare
reforms to appease his supporters, despite it being a near carbon copy
of what he implemented in Massachusetts to great success a few years
ago. It's how the Patriot Act came to be, and the Nude-o-scopes at the
airports.
It's a dangerous slope to start down.

Fact-based leadership should be the way forward, and while 'liquid
democracy' may not be mutually exclusive with it, it's certainly
diametrically opposite. In fact, every time I think about LD, a term
from a Harry Turtledove novel pops into my head - 'snout-counting'.

Andrew
-sent from my Android

> -Anouk-
>>
>> taking the PP objectives are:
>>
>> 1- Transparent governing and all public organisations have to become
>> transparent as well.
>>
>> 2- Direct democracy and participation of all citizens.
>>
>> 3- A complete review of the copyrights and patenting system.
>>
>> 4- Protection and guarantee of privacy and safety.
>>
>> 5- In consideration with point 4 the freedom on information, education and
>> knowledge.
>>
>>
>> These need surely additional wording but firstly do they need more core
>> points ?
>> -Anouk-
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