[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Anouk Neeteson]

On 24 September 2012 21:11, Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I try to phrase the pirate ideology without evoking a dispute
>> immediately. To state, according the pirate ideology and at the same time
>> not defining it more than "ideology to be decided in the moment with
>> whoever is present or represented"  I can live with that but it is a bit
>> ugly not?
>> And including democracy is already too much politics for 'hardcore'
>> pirates that are pirates never the less. So I try to find this balance in
>> wording that gives an easier to understand image of what that pirate
>> ideology is in the simplest minimalist wording.
>>
>
> OK - I am just trying to get a precise understanding of what you mean by
> 'pirate ideology'.
>
> Here is a paragraph from wikipedia:
>
> An ideology is a set of ideas that constitute one's goals, expectations,
> and actions. An ideology is a comprehensive vision, a way of looking at
> things (compare worldview) as in several philosophical tendencies (see
> political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of
> a society to all members of this society (a "received consciousness" or
> product of socialization).
>

Precisely that definition I ment.

>
> Where do your 'layers' fit into this?  Layers suggest a set of things in
> some order - what is the meaning of the order you presented?
>
> See my other mail.


> By the way why you have 'change the society' in it?  Do you mean that
> change is a goal in itself?
>

No, this symbolizes that we all agree that society HAS TO CHANGE
fundamentally. How is another matter. How would you phrase it?

>
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> Thanks for the help,
Anouk
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