[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Zbigniew Łukasiak]

I am sending this in private - because it's kind of off-topic - it is just
that I don't quite understand what you mean.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com>wrote:

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> On 24 September 2012 21:11, Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I try to phrase the pirate ideology without evoking a dispute
>>> immediately. To state, according the pirate ideology and at the same time
>>> not defining it more than "ideology to be decided in the moment with
>>> whoever is present or represented"  I can live with that but it is a bit
>>> ugly not?
>>> And including democracy is already too much politics for 'hardcore'
>>> pirates that are pirates never the less. So I try to find this balance in
>>> wording that gives an easier to understand image of what that pirate
>>> ideology is in the simplest minimalist wording.
>>>
>>
>> OK - I am just trying to get a precise understanding of what you mean by
>> 'pirate ideology'.
>>
>> Here is a paragraph from wikipedia:
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>> An ideology is a set of ideas that constitute one's goals, expectations,
>> and actions. An ideology is a comprehensive vision, a way of looking at
>> things (compare worldview) as in several philosophical tendencies (see
>> political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of
>> a society to all members of this society (a "received consciousness" or
>> product of socialization).
>>
>
> Precisely that definition I ment.
>

The point is that in this definition you have goals, expectations and
actions - what your layers are? Are they layers of the same - that is
goals, for example, from the most important to the less important - or the
structure is defined in some other way - like expectations leading to goals
leading to actions?


>> Where do your 'layers' fit into this?  Layers suggest a set of things in
>> some order - what is the meaning of the order you presented?
>>
>> See my other mail.
>

Well - I looked at your emails and I don't see any explanation of that.

I did understand your first email - which was an ordered list of goals -
this is pretty self explanatory.


>
>
>> By the way why you have 'change the society' in it?  Do you mean that
>> change is a goal in itself?
>>
>
> No, this symbolizes that we all agree that society HAS TO CHANGE
> fundamentally. How is another matter. How would you phrase it?
>

I think we should talk about the opposite - we don't want a revolution - we
don't want to destabilize the system - we want the least changes possible
that fulfill our goals.  Change also does not bring much information - this
is something that would both a stalinist and a nazi agree about - it is the
direction that is crucial.

--
zby
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