[pp.int.general] Some clarification on PPAU and PP-CAT.

[Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer]

You presume far too much.

It was not presented by PPAU at all. Pirate Party Australia requested  
that the idea be heard again, as we couldn't understand what was being  
proposed. The poor quality of the remote delegate system meant that  
this was interpreted as us asking for a vote on it, and by the time it  
was over, both myself and the other delegate participating were so  
frustrated that we vowed never to attend another PPI conference.

I met the Catalonian Pirate here twice. He never once mentioned  
wanting to become part of PPI, and I believe he returned to Spain  
before the PPI conference.

The motion was not Australian – it was effectively European because  
the conference was so poorly run that our request to hear the proposal  
again was ignored and taken to a vote.

You still have not said how you would improve anything. I'm yet to see  
any positive contribution.

On 26/09/2012, at 2:03 AM, Antonio Garcia wrote:

> Dear Mozart,
>
> In fact, you have not heard me say that much at all, unless I was  
> forced to by circumstances. I am not the frantically improvising  
> kind of guy, moving by trial and error.
>
> As a bonus, nobody would have reasons to remember me attending the  
> PPI GA of 2012 in Prague either, if not for the famous photo Slim  
> Amamou of the Tunisian Pirate Party kindly tweeted around. Something  
> that can not be said of some other without suffering voluntary  
> amnesia. I was immensely disappointed with almost everything that  
> happened there, and many things that had no occasion to be tabled  
> because of the way things went. But I kept my temper.
>
> I made a very significant personal financial sacrifice to be able to  
> attend, and I feel utterly betrayed in my expectations.
>
> As for having problems with you, no, not personally though.
>
> But I remember that the motion that was instrumentalized to force an  
> illegal vote on whether the Catalan Pirate Party should be full  
> member of the PPI was presented remotely by the Australian Pirate  
> Party. Maybe under the influence of one Catalan Pirate actually  
> living there.
>
> Also, if I remember well, the Court of Arbitration verdict was  
> signed only by 4 judges.
>
> 1) Arturo Martinez, being member of the Spanish Pirate Party, did  
> the naively honest thing and abstained.
> 2) Maxime Rouquet wrote a dissenting opinion so one can  
> intelligently infer he voted against.
> 3) You, despite being part to the issue because the motion was  
> australian, were not naive and voted in favour.
> 4) The fourth member, the Italian Ciurcina and only real lawyer on  
> the CoA, objectively inexplicably, but populistically  
> underswtandable, voted in favour.
>
> So, you see,... if one of two conditions, Arturo being less honest,  
> or you being a bit more honest, had been met...
>
> ... the result would have been different.
>
> This, notwithstanding the fact that it is void anyway because of the  
> infringement of the Statutes in the first place, and the illegal and  
> unduly twisting of an article of the Statutes by the CoA to be able  
> to close the chain of argumentations leading to the sentence served.
>
> As you see, I have an awful lot to criticise, with standing  
> arguments in my hands. But I choose to do it the civilized way...  
> and I am keeping myself extremely calm considering how things are  
> being treated.
>
> Others can't cope with reason and urge my removal from these lists  
> in very unpirately ways ;) .
>
>
> As for solutions, you'd be surprised to hear what kind of problems I  
> routinely consider and what solutions I have for them.
>
> They might get our German brethren about 30% of the vote in the next  
> elections in Lower Saxony, paving the way for similar results in the  
> Federal Elections less than a year later, not to speak about what  
> might come our way in the European Elections again less than a year  
> later.
>
> So, you may consider what I might be thinking now of all this  
> childish behaviour going on in PPI, PPEU, and several Pirate  
> Parties, including, do not be surprised, the Spanish Pirate Party.
>
> I see nobody I can trust with the kind of kung-fu I hold in my  
> hands. I had to choose not to help our Dutch brethren, nor our  
> Belgian ones. Maybe not even our German.
>
> I've got to wait until I see some more trustworthy rational  
> behaviour in the Pirate Parties.
>
>
> Solutions, I have. But is the actual fuzzy and superficial,  
> populistic dynamics of being Pirates able to put them to good use?
>
>
> I have to doubt it, much to my disappointment.
>
>
> Pirates should be... intelligent.
>
>
> Thank you for giving me the right occasion to table all this.
>
>
> Antonio.
> PP-ES
>
>
>
> From: mozart.palmer at pp-international.net
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:52:36 +1000
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Italian Pirate Party - Scandal
>
> Antonio…an honest question here.
>
> Over the past year or so since I've been on this list, and for the  
> three or four months I was on the Court of Arbitration, I have not  
> actually heard you say much that is positive.
>
> In fact, you seem very quick to criticise and very slow to offer any  
> solutions.
>
> I appreciate that you have problems with me, and the rest of the  
> current/previous CoA, but they seem more about causing trouble than  
> anything else. You seem intent on removing the Catalonian Pirates,  
> and I am not sure what this obsession is about. Surely Pirates  
> should be inclusive, not discriminatory.
>
> So, Antonio, what are your solutions for fixing the state of the  
> movement?
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