[pp.int.general] The true core Pirates principles -Serious attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Marko Mitrovic]

Here's my two cents:

I agree with about 95% of everything writen. Although it may be a wee bit
too big list for something considered as "core", even though list itself is
very well-written and incerdibly well formated for an email :)

Some of my comments:
-I think "minimal healthcare" should be expanded to something more than
minimal, tho as these are only core principles I'd guess that's okay

-Regarding self-determination of fate of the body including unborn.
Wouldn't this effectively outlaw abortion? Or this is Pandora's box I
shouldn't have touched? :)

-War in self-defence can be abused as we have seen many times in last
hundred or so years. Little bit of propaganda and everything can become
self-defence. Not that I have any plausable solution for given problem.

Hopefully my input was useful, I read all again in the morning to see is
there anything else I can add.

Sorry for spelling mistakes if any, it's late and I'm on touchscreen.
Nighty night fellow Pirates :)
On Sep 26, 2012 10:06 PM, "Anouk Neeteson" <jakobsheep at gmail.com> wrote:

> Another try, please mail me privately for questions directed straight at
> me. I hope that it will not create controversy, it is with the intention to
> unite the pirates globally. I added some new lines because of more feedback
> from elsewhere. I didn't include the universal human rights, they are too
> biased. (the sky is the limit, somehow, some-way, someday simultaneous
> singularity):
>
> *The right of protection of each individual human being* including :
> -  its privacy
> -  its physical body (including DNA)
> -  its impartiality
> -  juridical
> -  against unfair competition and corporatocracy
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
> -  the under-aged as a group with extra protection
>
> *With the right of:*
> -  a reasonable transparent legislature and transparent public
> organisations http://www.transparency.org/
> -  self-determination of its fate and body (including the unborn).
> -  being impartially reviewed whether on sex, believe, race, etc.
> -  freely using natural drugs or natural therapies, natural cures, or
> natural medicines (like homoeopathy and so on). *I don't name all drugs,
> because synthetic (and halve-synthetic) drugs are not natural and have to
> come under the medical licence scheme, Or to put it in another way, these
> chemicals need regulation, so no you can not have 100 gram of cocaine a
> day from your chemist :)*
> -  freedom of expression of opinion with a minimum of respect towards
> anybody
> -  direct voting on the legislature or to have it delegated (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy)
> -  to be informed of and access to personal data and the right to correct
> or comment
> -  form / join freely a cooperation (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism)
> -  growing up to become adult with a guarantee on protection, support,
> care and education.
> -  free access to medical, scientific and technological knowledge and
> education
> -  minimal healthcare
> -  minimal social assistance
> -  contentious relationships with others in their own chosen way (*ex.when
> people decide to live in a commune or same sex relations etc. as long as it
> is with everyone's free will*)
> -  making the marginal error (*because nobody is perfect*)
>
> *With the obligation *(*nobody likes to hear them*)*:*
> -  of healthy water, and healthy grown nutrition
> -  transparent information on ingredients of processed food and
> beverages and all other products.
> -  to respect the law defined by the legislature (*I explain why this is
> important, as the pirate party we have a agreement to cooperate as a group,
> without agreement, like disrespecting the rules, there is no common pirate
> party, just like national law that one day will be replaced
> with an internal law once everybody is properly supported and educated)*
> -  to actively contribute to these principles (*without input nothing
> moves*)
> -  to respect everybody as they expect to be respected by everybody (*no
> abuse, no violence, nettiquette*)
> -  to be held responsible for their own behaviour and acts (*you break
> something, you pay*)
> -  to become more loveable, peaceful and happy :)
>
> *With the demand of:*
> *- * The information society needs complete new rulings (preserve
> openness, change copyright laws on digital data, internet as public
> space/good, reforming patent law and ipr etc.)
> -  freedom (as in: restrictions need rationale justification,
> no restricting of behaviour which doesn't harm anyone)
> -  accountability (additional legislature?)
> -  traceability (additional legislature?)
> -  inclusive humanism (tolerance and rationality:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism)
> -  a healthy and sustainable global environment
> -  abolishment of war, only in self-defence and to protect international
> humanitarian aid missions
> -  abolishment of arms-trade over national borders. (*making money on
> arms-trade is against humanity but we can not deny that we need a peoples
> army to protect souveranity. So hence we need to produce arms to
> counterbalance the world against the savage nature and heritage in present
> times. But to produce arms to protect ourself and then SELL them abroad is
> NOT COMMON SENSE. The way out is stopping proliferation is by stopping
> export*)
> -  more free public parties
>
> *methods:*
> - occams razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
> - K.I.S.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.I.S.S.)
> - the pirate wheel:
> http://falkvinge.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/manual/PirateWheel-2011-11-13.pdf
>  (*or any better alternative*)
>  - Liquid Feedback: http://liquidfeedback.org/ (*or any better alternative
> *)
>
>
>
> the good news, there are more rights then obligations. lol
>
>  And I hope that a lot of  mothers like it too, they are with voting very
>> aware of the future for their children !
>
>  *What did I forget or wrongly? Any controversy? Did I write too much?
>> please give feedback.*
>
>
>
>> Anouk    REM I hope my remarks are appreciated.
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/attachments/20120927/5107592d/attachment-0001.html>