[pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International Conference Kazan 2013

Wed Apr 3 03:02:40 CEST 2013

>
> I think you can get campaigns off the ground through posting ideas on this
> list and involving the various national Parties if the ideas are good.

that's what I am doing, that's community management, not campaign and
advertising :)
thanx for having time to reply

I really believe conference fees should be none for remote participants,
since Kazan is that far and that expensive. Excuse e Gregory, but fees are
3 do 4 times higher then in Prague.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Simon Frew <simon.frew at pirateparty.org.au>wrote:

> >Jelena said:
>
> >It was not a junket. it was good opportunity for networking. And there is
> less trolling and hate speech when you meet someone face 2 face.
>
> That's good if you can afford it, none of our members seem to have the
> spare funds to travel to Russia for a two day meeting, and we can't afford
> to fund them out of our limited budget.
>
>
> >I think conference few should be much lower for remote participants. Or
> it should be no fee at all.
>
> Those of us attending as remote delegates cannot register to attend.
> Leaving us to wonder, will there even be remote delegates this year? Will
> it be any better than previous years?
>
> I think I speak for many non-European parties when I say we are looking
> for reassurance and evidence that we wont get screwed over and left out yet
> again. If this years GA is as farcical as the last two, the organisation
> will start to crumble.
>
>
> *>PPI has no budget,* and I as a board member didn't use any money so
> far. Even for runnign FB campaign resources (maybe) could be given from PP
> DE.
> >When I realized it I gave up making a project proposal and going trough
> bureaucracy for little campaign
> >(managing FB ads from Serbia is cheaper than in other countries, ofc
> talking about price per click / per 1000 views)
>
> I think you can get campaigns off the ground through posting ideas on this
> list and involving the various national Parties if the ideas are good.
>
> >PPI board members, as far as I know, will go to Kazan from their own
> money too. PPI has no budget even to send board to PPI conference.
> >And I agree it is not cheap even when you are flying from Europe, I
> calculated costs of flight ticket and hotel and it was cca 1.000 eur (~
> 1.200 AU dollars), from the Balkans.
>
> Surely remote participation would be more important than ever, yet despite
> repeated efforts through multiple channels we cannot get a response
> reassuring people who can't attend in person that they will be able to
> participate and that remote delegates will be taken seriously.
>
> What does the Board want the money for? How much does it want?
>
> We are reluctant to give money to an organisation that we feel effectively
> excluded from, with no idea what it will do. The trust we have in the PPI,
> if you can't tell is basically non-existant at the moment. The Co-Chair
> publicly attacking us for not wanting to spend thousands of dollars to go
> to Russia doesn't exactly give us confidence any money that goes to PPI
> will be used wisely.
>
> Mab wrote:
>
> >The Swedish Pirate Party has since the start used a forum platform for
> our general assemblies. Over the years we have developed
> >quite a few fetures to make it more suitable for online assemlies. They
> are entirely text based and nowadays spans 6 weeks so that
> >people can attend regardless of when they have the time to be online. Any
> single round of voting spans at least 24 hours to facilitate
> >that everyone can vote.
>
> This sounds like the exact sort of thing that is needed for PPI.
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM, <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>wrote:
>
>> The Swedish Pirate Party has since the start used a forum platform for
>> our general assemblies. Over the years we have developed quite a few
>> fetures to make it more suitable for online assemlies. They are entirely
>> text based and nowadays spans 6 weeks so that people can attend regardless
>> of when they have the time to be online. Any single round of voting spans
>> at least 24 hours to facilitate that everyone can vote.
>>
>> I am pretty sure a similar model would work for PPI, which, given its
>> delegate system, would have far less participants.
>>
>> If ppi where interested I am sure we could provide the technical know-how
>> of how to set up a web forum.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Mab
>> PP-SE
>> EU-branch
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2013-04-02 10:41, Simon Frew wrote:
>>
>>> We just use cheap video streaming with an IRC channel where we verify
>>> who can vote and give them voice. Everyone with a computer monitors
>>> IRC so remote delegates get adequately represented. I think it costs
>>> about $50 for the streaming, but if its entirely online a Mumble
>>> server and a Pad would about do it. When we hired all of the gear it
>>> cost a total of $150 or so, but we have members who can provide a lot
>>> of infrastructure out of their own gear.
>>>
>>> It was suggested on #PPI IRC that one could be held on Google+, PP
>>> California meet using it (or did when I attended a meeting once) and
>>> it worked well. It means dealing with Google and subsequent privacy
>>> implications but it has video and is free.
>>>
>>> If there wont be any remote participation in the GA we might as well
>>> hold our own on Mumble. You guys could even have the honour of hosting
>>> the first one. Although PPAU has its own Mumble server too. Just start
>>> it later in your day time so I dont have to get up too early to
>>>
>>> attend. ;)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Aza <rata_0071 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  2013/4/1 Simon Frew <simon.frew at pirateparty.org.au**>
>>>>
>>>>  We run remote participation for every congress in Australia and it
>>>>> costs virtually nothing. See our official complaint letter for how to do
>>>>> it. The idea it is expensive is false.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Simon could the PPAU provide the infrastructure for a virtual GA?
>>>>
>>>> At the PPAR we have a mumble server that could be used if you dont miss
>>>> video.
>>>>
>>>> If we cant participate in the same one we may just as well have a
>>>> parallel virtual GA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> aza
>>>>
>>>> President of the Intergalactic Pirate Party (IPP)
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