[pp.int.general] Bickering on list (was Re: Pirate Parties International Conference Kazan 2013)
kenneth at pirata.cat
kenneth at pirata.cat
Wed Apr 3 16:07:14 CEST 2013
Completely agree.
Accept my apologies. I'll keep your message in mind.
Best regards,
Kenneth
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:01:45 +0100, Stephen Ogden
<s.ogden at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
> Having been asked to speak up, I shall.
>
> I have given thought to sending this email privately (as I advise below)
> rather than
> to the list, but at this point I think this does deserve being put
> publicly. As a
> community it is better we moderate ourselves than be moderated by
> individuals, and
> hopefully I speak for many in this community when I ask the following.
>
> Antonio: Please refrain from hostile behaviour towards others - you do
not
> need to
> agree with someone to behave in a civil way. Likewise you do not need to
> behave in
> an uncivil way to those you do not agree with.
>
> Kenneth: Can you also please refrain from your goading and taunting
> behaviour? If
> you don't have something helpful and productive that the majority (or
even
> a good
> sized minority) of the list will benefit from, please do consider
sending
> your
> emails privately rather than to the whole list.
>
> Both/All: if you have an 'official' complaint against an individual
please
> submit
> them privately to where they need to go (if there is such a place).
Using
> the
> mailing list to complain tends to just be a rather un-veiled form of
> insulting
> someone, or perhaps an attempt to goad them into a negative response.
>
> If there are individuals on this list that you do not respect, please at
> least
> respect yourself and everyone else by either not engaging with them, or
by
> treating
> them cordially. The moment you stoop to insults it doesn't matter if you
> are right
> or wrong, you has already started turning others against you.
>
> Stephen Ogden
>
>
> On 03/04/2013 14:42, Antonio Garcia wrote:
>> That is nice to know. So I may, together with al the international
>> colleagues on
>> this list, assume that the silence on the part of any Catalan Pirate
>> Party
>> individuals either under their personal authority or representing the
>> party... can
>> be understood as FULL SUPPORT for the behaviour of Kenneth and telltale
>> sign of
>> their logical and ethical standards?
>>
>> If PPI officials and fellow Pirate Party delegates from around the
world
>> also take
>> the silent approach as acceptance and likemindedness...
>>
>> ... well, I feel forced to ask everybody to speak up to avoid being
>> ranged among
>> those with that default behaviour.
>>
>> I would not like to blame innocent people further on.
>>
>>
>> Antonio.
>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:28:08 +0200
>> From: jordi at soucheiron.cat
>> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International Conference
>> Kazan 2013
>>
>> Dear Antonio,
>> As usual you're wrong, Kenneth as our spokesperson has our full
support.
>> Please
>> don't fill our inboxes with useless emails that divert the attention
from
>> important matters.
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> 2013/4/3 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>>
>> Formal?
>>
>> You have plenipotenciary powers to decide this on your own, as in
>> personally
>> involved, on behalf of the whole of your party?
>>
>>
>> A party which, it must be said, has not published a single comma on
>> this list
>> since you certainly shamed them so deeply...
>>
>>
>> You must be out of your mind.
>>
>>
>> Antonio.
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:20:36 +0200
>>
>> > From: kenneth at pirata.cat <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>
>> > To: ningunotro at hotmail.com <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>
>> > CC: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> > Subject: RE: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International
>> > Conference Kazan 2013
>> >
>> > On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:17:19 +0000, Antonio Garcia
>> > <ningunotro at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > > After the infamous letter you posted lately, I must say I
admire
>> > > your
>> > > ignorant guts :) .
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Antonio.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This is ANOTHER formal complaint about Antonio's behaviour.
>> >
>> >
>> > >> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:13:51 +0200
>> > >> From: kenneth at pirata.cat <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>
>> > >> To: ningunotro at hotmail.com <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>
>> > >> CC: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> > >> Subject: RE: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International
>> > >> Conference Kazan 2013
>> > >>
>> > >> Antonio, points are points, insults are insults. You simply
>> > >> keep on
>> > >> insulting anyone not supporting your desires.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Is insulting people an acceptable behaviour in this mailing
>> > >> list?
>> > >>
>> > >> This is a formal complaint about Antonio's behaviour.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Kenneth
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:51:10 +0000, Antonio Garcia
>> > >> <ningunotro at hotmail.com <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > Your wishful thinking is pathetic.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I do not need to be a delegate to Kazan for the Spanish
>> > >> > Pirate Party
>> > to
>> > >> > have inalienable rights. I have these on my own as a human
>> > >> > being, and
>> > >> > as
>> > >> an
>> > >> > equal among pirates.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > By their own Rules of Procedure, provisional as they might
be
>> > >> > but
>> > >> > deemed
>> > >> > temporarily enforceable unless a General Assembly ruled
>> > >> > otherwise
>> > >> (which,
>> > >> > thanks to the terrible efficiency of General Assemblies has
>> > >> > not
>> > >> > happened
>> > >> > yet :) )... anonymous complaints are acceptable in matters
>> > >> > regarding
>> > >> > infringement of PPI Statutes.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > What happened at the PPI GA in Prague and showed up in
>> > >> > several CoA
>> > >> rulings
>> > >> > qualifies largely as such.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > So, no matter how cleverly you or anybody else thought he
was
>> > >> scheming...
>> > >> > you are fucked assholes.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > And PPI and PPI Board are walking on eggs in this...
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Antonio.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:02:23 +0200
>> > >> > Subject: RE: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International
>> > >> > Conference Kazan 2013
>> > >> > From: kenneth at pirata.cat <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>
>> > >> > To: ningunotro at hotmail.com <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>;
>> > >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > All your logic goes linked to your personal wishes, not to
>> > >> > rules or
>> > >> > statutes.
>> > >> > Current PPI statutes don't accept personal/annonymous
>> > >> > complaints, so
>> > >> stop
>> > >> > crying and at least get recognized as the official delegate
>> > >> > of your
>> > >> party
>> > >> > before complaining/crying/begging any longer.
>> > >> > So far, for what I know, your fellow party members don't
want
>> > >> > you to
>> > >> > represent them at all.
>> > >> > Go fix that or shout up :)
>> > >> > Be really logic, my friend. Don't just say you are .
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Salut!
>> > >> > Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com
>> > >> > <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>> escribió:
>> > >> > You have a weird sense of logic and ethic, my "friend".
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I do not need to propose anything. This is pending matter
>> > >> > since it
>> > was
>> > >> > duly introduced as an anonymous complaint to the Court of
>> > Arbitration.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > And it gets absolute priority at the PPI General Assembly
>> > >> > because the
>> > >> > GA
>> > >> > is the supreme body of appeal when the CoA fails to deliver,
>> > >> > and
>> > >> > because
>> > >> > its outcome impacts on voting rights at the same General
>> > >> > Assembly.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Vote outcomes could be different if the vote of the Catalan
>> > >> > Pirate
>> > >> > Party
>> > >> > are deemed valid... so solving this issue comes first.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > And not doing it in such a way raises that many LOGICAL and
>> > >> > ETHICAL
>> > >> > questions within PPI...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ... that a FORK to the whole movement that provides a safe
>> > >> > harbour
>> > for
>> > >> > logically and ethically consistent Pirates... is not to e
>> > >> > ruled out
>> > if
>> > >> PPI
>> > >> > utterly fails in this.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Either way... you are done.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Antonio.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:18:47 +0200
>> > >> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International
>> > >> > Conference Kazan 2013
>> > >> > From: kenneth at pirata.cat <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>
>> > >> > To: ningunotro at hotmail.com <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>;
>> > >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > To propose anything... You need to do it through your
officiap
>> > >> > representatives.
>> > >> > The members of PPI are its parties, not its party members,
>> > >> > and so far
>> > >> you
>> > >> > haven't been appointed as PP-ES delegate.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Salut!
>> > >> > Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com
>> > >> > <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>> escribió:
>> > >> > It's a bit late to try to get a quorum lowering
participation
>> > >> > costs
>> > for
>> > >> > remotely represented members to zero or almost zero.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Holding the GA in Kazan has been a strategical move only to
>> > >> > benefit
>> > >> > Gregory's position since the very beginning of it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Remember, PP of Russia is not even registered yet.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Remember, there was such an interest in organizing this in
>> > >> > Russia...
>> > >> that
>> > >> > there were two concurrent bids from there.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Remember, the meetings where the outcome of the selection
>> > >> > process was
>> > >> > crafted... were densely populated with participants.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Remember, there is maybe still another meeting scheduled for
>> > >> > Kiev...
>> > >> > theoretically stealth approved through "administrative
>> > >> > silence"...
>> > from
>> > >> > Gregory?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Remember, the russian bids were so consistent... the venue
>> > >> > for Kazan
>> > is
>> > >> > not the originally offered venue anymore.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Remember, the Kazan offer is headed towards being the most
>> > >> > expensive
>> > in
>> > >> > the history of the pirate movement... only affordable for
>> > >> > local
>> > >> > russians
>> > >> > and the international pirate dandies with unlimited travel
>> > >> > budgets.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > And certainly, it will be a place where Gregory will easily
>> > >> > find
>> > straw
>> > >> men
>> > >> > to hold his many delegation representations. How many this
>> > >> > time,
>> > >> Gregory?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Surely, he aims for reelection, and he is bureaucratically
>> > >> > working
>> > with
>> > >> > his elbows towards it to the best of his abilities... and
>> > >> > 150.000
>> > >> > rubles
>> > >> of
>> > >> > personal subsidies.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I am tired of all the bulshit stacked into the Pirate
>> > >> > Movement in
>> > such
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > short timeframe because of the lack of genuine leadership
and
>> > >> > vision
>> > in
>> > >> the
>> > >> > Pirate Swarm.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It has become an IDIOCRACY some demagogues know far too well
>> > >> > how to
>> > >> > navigate with populism and mob rule.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If Kazan does not put an end to the endless horrors against
>> > >> > logic and
>> > >> > ethic imposed onto the Pirate Movement in Prague (I
witnessed
>> > >> > that in
>> > >> utter
>> > >> > awe, do not know if it was more or less than in previous
>> > >> > GAs)... then
>> > >> the
>> > >> > Pirate Movement is a walking Zombie.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > One single and simple test to begin with:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 1) The bogus admission of the Catalan Pirate Party as a full
>> > >> > member
>> > of
>> > >> the
>> > >> > PPI after a mere propaganda session, a blackmail to the
>> > >> > Assembly, and
>> > >> mob
>> > >> > rule to impose a vote on a matter not being an ad-hoc
>> > >> > competence of
>> > the
>> > >> > General Assembly, instrumentalizing a non-motion of the
>> > >> > Australian
>> > >> Pirate
>> > >> > Party... and ignoring it did not even reach the required
>> > >> > two-thirds
>> > >> > majority.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > The Statutes of PPI were blatantly ignored first, and
>> > >> > consciously
>> > >> violated
>> > >> > in a sentence of the Court of Arbitration that will
certainly
>> > >> > be
>> > >> > awarded
>> > >> > the Nobel Prize for utter stupidity as soon as it is
created.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I presented a very argumented and of unavoidable
consequences
>> > complaint
>> > >> to
>> > >> > the Court of Arbitration... anonymously, as I could not get
>> > >> > the
>> > backing
>> > >> of
>> > >> > a spineless Board of the Spanish Pirate Party,... carefully
>> > >> > following
>> > >> the
>> > >> > published guidelines of the Rules of Procedure of the Court
of
>> > >> > Arbitration,... that had decided -without a hint of
>> > >> > disapproval
>> > >> anywhere-
>> > >> > that it would accept anonymous complaints of anybody in case
>> > >> > of
>> > >> > infringement to the PPI Statutes.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > There was only one way to stop the complaint of achieving
its
>> > >> > goal...
>> > >> > render the CoA absolutely inoperative so that it could not
>> > >> > resolve
>> > into
>> > >> a
>> > >> > result it could not tamper with.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > PP-CH threatened to SUE the PPI in court in such a clumsy
way
>> > >> > it
>> > >> > offered
>> > >> > Gregory an dreamed excuse to impose the resignation of the
>> > >> > Court of
>> > >> > Arbitration as a Salomonic (rather satanic) "solution" the
>> > >> > Swiss
>> > could
>> > >> be
>> > >> > happy with or show muscle... and they folded.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > As the voting rights of a bogus member are being
contested...
>> > >> > either
>> > we
>> > >> > solve this adequately on-line BEFORE the assembly (and then
>> > >> > maybe
>> > more
>> > >> > members seeing some hope is still a push to get the needed
>> > >> > remote
>> > >> > participants on board)... or you will be fighting it out
>> > >> > during the
>> > two
>> > >> > days, unable to tackle anything else (what a waste of money
>> > >> > and time
>> > >> > for
>> > >> > all those present in Kazan), and sign the demise of a pirate
>> > >> > movement
>> > >> > already lacking credibility for any intelligent being.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Antonio García.
>> > >> > (by some kind of weird disfunctional wonder... official
>> > >> > member of the
>> > >> > Board of the Spanish Pirate Party... while it lasts :( ).
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:02:40 +0200
>> > >> > From: jelena.the.one at gmail.com
>> > >> > <mailto:jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
>> > >> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> > >> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International
>> > >> > Conference
>> > >> > Kazan 2013
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I think you can get campaigns off the ground through posting
>> > >> > ideas on
>> > >> this
>> > >> > list and involving the various national Parties if the ideas
>> > >> > are
>> > good.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > that's what I am doing, that's community management, not
>> > >> > campaign and
>> > >> > advertising :) thanx for having time to reply
>> > >> > I really believe conference fees should be none for remote
>> > >> > participants,
>> > >> > since Kazan is that far and that expensive. Excuse e
Gregory,
>> > >> > but
>> > fees
>> > >> are
>> > >> > 3 do 4 times higher then in Prague.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Simon Frew
>> > >> <simon.frew at pirateparty.org.au
>> > >> <mailto:simon.frew at pirateparty.org.au>>
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>Jelena said:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>It was not a junket. it was good opportunity for networking.
>> > >> >>And
>> > there
>> > >> > is less trolling and hate speech when you meet someone face
2
>> > >> > face.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > That's
>> > >> > good if you can afford it, none of our members seem to have
>> > >> > the
>> > spare
>> > >> > funds to travel to Russia for a two day meeting, and we
can't
>> > >> > afford
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > fund them out of our limited budget.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>I think conference few should be much lower for remote
>> > >> >>participants.
>> > Or
>> > >> >>it should be no fee at all.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Those
>> > >> > of us attending as remote delegates cannot register to
attend.
>> > >> > Leaving
>> > >> > us to wonder, will there even be remote delegates this year?
>> > >> > Will it
>> > >> > be
>> > >> > any better than previous years?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I think I speak for many non-European
>> > >> > parties when I say we are looking for reassurance and
>> > >> > evidence that
>> > we
>> > >> > wont get screwed over and left out yet again. If this years
>> > >> > GA is as
>> > >> > farcical as the last two, the organisation will start to
>> > >> > crumble.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>PPI has no budget, and I as a board member didn't use any
>> > >> > money so far. Even for runnign FB campaign resources (maybe)
>> > >> > could be
>> >
>> > >> > given from PP DE.
>> > >> >>When I realized it I gave up making a project proposal
>> > >> > and going trough bureaucracy for little campaign
>> > >> >>(managing FB ads from
>> > >> > Serbia is cheaper than in other countries, ofc talking about
>> > >> > price
>> > per
>> > >> > click / per 1000 views)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I think you can get campaigns off the ground through posting
>> > >> > ideas on
>> > >> this
>> > >> > list and involving the various national Parties if the ideas
>> > >> > are
>> > good.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>PPI board members, as far as I know, will go to
>> > >> > Kazan from their own money too. PPI has no budget even to
>> > >> > send board
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > PPI conference.
>> > >> >>And I agree it is not cheap even when you are flying
>> > >> > from Europe, I calculated costs of flight ticket and hotel
>> > >> > and it was
>> >
>> > >> > cca 1.000 eur (~ 1.200 AU dollars), from the Balkans.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Surely
>> > >> > remote participation would be more important than ever, yet
>> > >> > despite
>> > >> > repeated efforts through multiple channels we cannot get a
>> > >> > response
>> > >> > reassuring people who can't attend in person that they will
>> > >> > be able
>> > to
>> > >> > participate and that remote delegates will be taken
seriously.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > What does the Board want the money for? How much does it
want?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > We are reluctant
>> > >> > to give money
>> > >> > to an organisation that we feel effectively excluded from,
>> > >> > with no
>> > >> > idea
>> > >> > what it will do. The trust we have in the PPI, if you can't
>> > >> > tell is
>> > >> > basically non-existant at the moment. The Co-Chair publicly
>> > >> > attacking
>> > >> > us
>> > >> > for not wanting to spend thousands of dollars to go to
Russia
>> > doesn't
>> > >> > exactly give us confidence any money that goes to PPI will
be
>> > >> > used
>> > >> > wisely.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Mab wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>The Swedish Pirate Party has since the start used a forum
>> > >> >>platform
>> > for
>> > >> > our general assemblies. Over the years we have developed
>> > >> >>quite a few
>> > >> > fetures to make it more suitable for online assemlies. They
>> > >> > are
>> > >> > entirely
>> > >> > text based and nowadays spans 6 weeks so that
>> > >> >>people can attend
>> > >> > regardless of when they have the time to be online. Any
>> > >> > single round
>> > >> > of
>> > >> > voting spans at least 24 hours to facilitate
>> > >> >>that everyone can vote.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > This sounds like the exact sort of thing that is needed for
>> > >> > PPI.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Regards
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Simon
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM,
>> > >> > <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se
>> <mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>>
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > The Swedish Pirate Party has since the start used a forum
>> > >> > platform
>> > for
>> > >> our
>> > >> > general assemblies. Over the years we have developed quite a
>> > >> > few
>> > >> > fetures
>> > >> to
>> > >> > make it more suitable for online assemlies. They are
entirely
>> > >> > text
>> > >> > based
>> > >> > and nowadays spans 6 weeks so that people can attend
>> > >> > regardless of
>> > when
>> > >> > they have the time to be online. Any single round of voting
>> > >> > spans at
>> > >> least
>> > >> > 24 hours to facilitate that everyone can vote.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I am pretty sure a similar model would work for PPI, which,
>> > >> > given its
>> > >> > delegate system, would have far less participants.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If ppi where interested I am sure we could provide the
>> > >> > technical
>> > >> know-how
>> > >> > of how to set up a web forum.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > All the best
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Mab
>> > >> >
>> > >> > PP-SE
>> > >> >
>> > >> > EU-branch
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On 2013-04-02 10:41, Simon Frew wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > We just use cheap video streaming with an IRC channel where
>> > >> > we verify
>> > >> >
>> > >> > who can vote and give them voice. Everyone with a computer
>> > >> > monitors
>> > >> >
>> > >> > IRC so remote delegates get adequately represented. I think
>> > >> > it costs
>> > >> >
>> > >> > about $50 for the streaming, but if its entirely online a
>> > >> > Mumble
>> > >> >
>> > >> > server and a Pad would about do it. When we hired all of the
>> > >> > gear it
>> > >> >
>> > >> > cost a total of $150 or so, but we have members who can
>> > >> > provide a lot
>> > >> >
>> > >> > of infrastructure out of their own gear.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It was suggested on #PPI IRC that one could be held on
>> > >> > Google+, PP
>> > >> >
>> > >> > California meet using it (or did when I attended a meeting
>> > >> > once) and
>> > >> >
>> > >> > it worked well. It means dealing with Google and subsequent
>> > >> > privacy
>> > >> >
>> > >> > implications but it has video and is free.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If there wont be any remote participation in the GA we might
>> > >> > as well
>> > >> >
>> > >> > hold our own on Mumble. You guys could even have the honour
of
>> > hosting
>> > >> >
>> > >> > the first one. Although PPAU has its own Mumble server too.
>> > >> > Just
>> > start
>> > >> >
>> > >> > it later in your day time so I dont have to get up too early
>> > >> > to
>> > >> >
>> > >> > attend. ;)
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Regards
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Simon
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Aza <rata_0071 at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:rata_0071 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2013/4/1 Simon Frew <simon.frew at pirateparty.org.au
>> <mailto:simon.frew at pirateparty.org.au>>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > We run remote participation for every congress in Australia
>> > >> > and it
>> > >> > costs
>> > >> > virtually nothing. See our official complaint letter for how
>> > >> > to do
>> > it.
>> > >> The
>> > >> > idea it is expensive is false.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hey Simon could the PPAU provide the infrastructure for a
>> > >> > virtual GA?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > At the PPAR we have a mumble server that could be used if
you
>> > >> > dont
>> > miss
>> > >> > video.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If we cant participate in the same one we may just as well
>> > >> > have a
>> > >> parallel
>> > >> > virtual GA
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > regards
>> > >> >
>> > >> > aza
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > President of the Intergalactic Pirate Party (IPP)
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ____________________________________________________
>> > >> >
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>> > >> >
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>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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>> > >> > [1]
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Links:
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>> > >> > ------
>> > >> >
>> > >> > [1]
>> > >> >
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>> > >> >
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