[pp.int.general] [pp-leaders.discussion] Pirate Party of Canada and PPI

[HerNenya]

Very nice and constructive point of view indeed, Justus.

We (PP-GAL and other regional parties in Spain) had copied statutes that 
were thought some time ago. In those first regional statutes stated the 
requirement to confederate with only another pirate party member of PPI, 
thinking about on PP-ES in the first place.

At that time it sounded right, and the rest of the regional pirate 
parties thought theorically it would be a good idea, but we had realized 
just a month ago while working on the Confederation statutes exactly the 
same conclusion as you, Justus. However we tried in that way first since 
we thought it would be the easiest and fastest solution to get 
registrated before next summer as that was our intention.

However we are working now on another ways of procedure. It is going to 
take us some more time, but we hope to be confederated this year at last. :)

I would like to add to your points of view, we see PPI an organization 
which objectives are to help groups of pirates to spread the pirate 
ideology and to fight for a better world to live in.

PPI as an organization is not going to face elections ever so I think it 
is not its duty to establish scopes in their memberships. All pirates 
are equal and the choices or decisions we are going to face as 
international pirates shouldn't matter scopes at all.

The structure bottom-up is much more efficent than the top-down 
structure to get to the people at the streets. To talk about those ideas 
we share face to face with them. This is very necesary if we want to get 
positions in elections. Not everyone (especially in rural areas and 
majority of old populated areas) are familiar with IT. We have to try to 
get to them too, as we see the Pirate Movement as a vision that is not 
restricted for anyone: one of its goals is global participation of 
citizens in politics through Direct Democracy. At least in Spain it does.

We wish this situation of continued malcontent would get to an end soon.


Best Regards,

Isabel Fernandez
GPG EA63DF8E
www.piratasdegalicia.org


El 24/04/13 13:45, Justus Römeth escribió:
> I think PPI is needed, but that many people expect too much of it. 
> Also, some people seem to expect it to handle everything that happens 
> internationally concerning pirates.
>
> As an addition to what Thomas wrote, I think PPI can be a good place 
> (not the only one!) for the press to get information and contacts 
> concerning pirates. In the same manner it can be a good place for 
> people willing to start their own pirate party to get support and 
> tips. I can imagine that a lot of pirates form places that are not 
> exactly democratic are doing exactly this. PPI can be something of a 
> lightning rod or lighthouse, in that matter, as well as a formal way 
> to help us stay organized and motivated.
>
> However, it should not be the only place for Pirates that want to do 
> stuff internationally. But it is up to all of us to make sure that 
> those things happen elsewhere. It is true that PPI was very 
> eurocentric. We are now in the process of founding PPEU to adress that 
> (arguably in Europe more international contacts are needed to get 
> stuff done politically than in, say, the US, Australia or Brazil), 
> hopefully freeing PPI's time to adress more things on a global scale. 
> It is true that the PPI GA in Prague has been quite chaotic to follow 
> remotely, and that a lot of things were going on there that were going 
> on there because it was the only big inernational Pirate Party 
> conference after Friedrichshafen one year before in Europe. Some of us 
> are adressing this, with the meetings concerning PPEU as well as with 
> meetings unrelated to it (like the workshop in Hanover). It is true 
> that PPI is not doing enough for information exchange. Hence some 
> Pirates set up Pirate Times.
>
> We do not need PPI to do organize dozens of conferences or the flow of 
> knowledge. PPI is supposed to support those processes and events 
> (except the annual GA), and we should not rely on it to do those 
> things. PPI is not the only forum where pirates can engage 
> internationally, and you do not need your national party to be a PPI 
> member in order to become active internationally (thank god, I would 
> hate to not have Joseph of Matthias from PPSE here!) It is not PPI's 
> place to decide what a is or isn't a pirate party, and I do not think 
> that that is what the conflict with and discussions about PPES and 
> PPCAT have been about. I welcome each and every pirate to engage in 
> these tasks, be them within or without PPI. I respect every Parties' 
> decision not to engage with PPI anymore because of frustration, it is 
> very much in their right, and does not make them less of a pirate party.
>
> I would like to more less pirates being less judgemental about what 
> other pirates are doing wrong, but focussing on trying to show that it 
> can be done better by doing it themselves instead.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Justus
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se 
> <mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>> wrote:
>
>     On 2013-04-21 04:21, Tom Behets wrote:
>
>
>         And lastly, can someone explain me how it comes that the
>         Catalanian
>         party is a member of PPI, and not just a crew of Spain?
>
>
>     Dear Tom,
>
>     I can give you a long and detailed explanation on that topic next
>     time we meet. It is a topic that is better told face to face and I
>     am pretty sure this mailing list don't need one more recap of
>     this. For some reason it usually leads to a lot of emails being
>     sent on the list with very little valuable content.
>
>     /Mab
>
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