[pp.int.general] free software video streaming

Betiel betielix at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 19:31:40 CET 2013

Is important to use the "non sanctun" mediums, to reach people outside our
Particularly I do not like facebook, neither the use of sites that
compromises our privacity.. but many people uses them and we need to reach
them in some way.
Actually, we have several problems to keep  our facebook account
actualized, because none of our pirate members in Argentina like it too
much and therefore we do not know much about it. But we try hard to have an
actualized page on it so the people that do not use lists, neither irc can
reach us and know we exist.

BTW, thanks to this thread, we realized we do not have torrent copies of
our podcast, or our videos. So we`ll begin to add torrens links and to have
copies of them in our server to grant direct access.. although surely will
take some time till we can update all of them.
So it`s my sincere impression that this topic is quite usefull, beyond the
little discrepancies shown in the way we comunicate with the world.

2013/2/18 Travis McCrea <me at travismccrea.com>

> You are right, however, we are political parties not activist groups -- we
> need to remember that. Our job is to spread our message and influence
> policy. We should be leaving the activism to the activist groups, which we
> can be part of, but should not become ourselves. Yes, we do things from
> time to time which are activist in nature but they are still providing
> publicity and upholding our values: TPB servers hosted by PPSE falls under
> that category.
> We have nothing to gain, and a lot to lose by limiting our message to
> people who already know about us. It's actually highly elitist to think
> that only people who jump through the hoops that we lay out for them are
> worthy of hearing our message. I know that we are a party of nerds, geeks,
> and social outcasts (I, myself, fall into at least 2 out of 3 of those,
> maybe 3 out of 3) and it is in our nature to be cliquish now that we have
> our own community and it happens too frequently in our circles: The people
> who think that all flavours of linux should be difficult and not n00b
> friendly are a great example of this.
> We are not in some computer club or even NGO -- we are pirates trying to
> affect change. If we want to be seriously considered to do that we need to
> step out of our comfort zone and try to appeal to people who have not
> thought about being a pirate before, or might not even be comfortable with
> computers. We need these people to vote for us, we don't need to "pander to
> them" but we certainly need to make it possible for them to stumble onto
> our "propaganda" easily. If only 1% of the population agrees with RMS'
> extreme views on non-free software, then he is fine with that and he can
> keep only using non-free software to talk to that 1% and as long as they
> keep donating he can keep doing his work. We need to reach at least 5% of
> the population in many areas and in places like the UK, Canada, US,
> Australia, etc we need many more %s to hear our message and agree with it.
> Perhaps you need to adjust your sails.
> *Travis McCrea*
> Pirate Party of Canada
> The Ultimate Ebook Library
> Kopimist Church of Idaho
> Phone: 1(206)552-8728 US Call/Text
> IRC: irc.freenode.net, irc.pirateirc.net (TeamColtra or TravisMcCrea)
> Web: travismccrea.com
> IM: teamcoltra at 451.im (jabber) teamcoltra (AIM)
> On Feb 18, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com> wrote:
> Pragmatism is no substitute for activism or vice versa, although they
> overlap from time to time. This discussion is of an idelogical nature about
> this differation, not just about how to spread 'propaganda' best.
> my 2cents,
> mrNatural
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