[pp.int.general] free software video streaming

Jelena Jovanovic jelena.the.one at gmail.com
Sat Feb 23 13:35:02 CET 2013


my 2 cents:
Argument about targeted audience and ability to reach those who need to be
converted to open source is valid. And it might seem shortsighted to
neglect people who really need information in order to talk only to those
who think alike.

Walking the talk is great thing. And Pirate way is in most of the cases -
talking not doing :P which is regrettable.

If there would be voting on this subject I am deeply convinced majority of
Pirates would vote for broadening the audience with the opportunity  to use
open s. only, and if not than to stay as close as possible to the concept
of freedom

Than the question might be if GNU is not that widely accepted how can we
reach out to broader audience and not breaking the strict, almost military,
 rules explicated here.
Should we do it at first place? Because en-massing the movement would mean
getting too many people who think differently than us. And as I see it
might be dangerous? :) come on, relax a bit.

This is discussion, everybody can express their opinion. Frankly I would
rather talk to many people than to some of them even if it means making a
compromise. Nobody stands alone here and nobody's personal opinion should
not conquer  the will of community itself.  So what goal is more precious
to you: to stay simple minded and make no changes or to accept people and
their habits as they are and over time try to convert them to our approach
and thinking?


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>wrote:

> You think wrong, Travis... we have NOT agreed.
> I think WE have stated... that we pirates should honour the gentlemens
> agreements of our fellow pirates, and that we do not want to alienate Mr.
> Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation from our struggle.
> You do well to state your affiliation with the kopimist church minority,
> but your behaviour, as a member of the board of PPI, acting on the PPI
> mailing lists, should NOT jeopardise pirate interests.
> Antonio.
> ------------------------------
> From: me at travismccrea.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:19:34 -0500
> To: rms at gnu.org; pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] free software video streaming
> I'll bite at the flame bait:
> I think we have all agreed (including you, I hope?) that as long as the
> hosts of the event publish the speech using free software (OOG or whatever)
> then if someone independently (myself?) decides to upload it to YouTube or
> something that will be okay. So I don't want to get into that debate much,
> however, if you said that no one could share your speech using non-free
> software or methods (like YouTube) then you are limiting the number of
> people who will stumble upon your speech and share your message. I disagree
> with doing that.
> While I stand corrected that properly it should be called "GNU/Linux" but
> we should also call QTips "Cotton Swabs" but it has become the
> colloquialism to call them QTips, just as we now call it "Linux" right or
> wrong. You can try to fight it as much as you want to get it to change, but
> honestly I don't see it happening you are in a very small minority and the
> community had the option to accept GNU/Linux as the common name but they
> didn't so I don't see it coming back. I am truly sorry that it isn't
> because you deserve your rightful credit, I will at least on my own attempt
> to be better -- you are not in the wrong for correcting me, but I do not
> believe that I am in the wrong by stating the other.
> Plenty of people believe that GNU/Linux is becoming too user friendly with
> GUIs and stuff and they don't like offering support to ex windows users
> because they should have to learn terminal the hard way like they did. Yada
> yada. It's techno-elitism, and go to some of the support channels for
> non-mainstream distros and you are more likely to find it. That's what
> drives people to Ubuntu and Mint.
> *Travis McCrea*
> Pirate Party of Canada
> The Ultimate Ebook Library
> Kopimist Church of Idaho
> Phone: 1(206)552-8728 US Call/Text
> IRC: irc.freenode.net, irc.pirateirc.net (TeamColtra or TravisMcCrea)
> Web: travismccrea.com
> IM: teamcoltra at 451.im (jabber) teamcoltra (AIM)
> On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org> wrote:
> McCrea is attacking straw men again.
>    We have nothing to gain, and a lot to lose by limiting our message
>    to people who already know about us. It's actually highly elitist
>    to think that only people who jump through the hoops that we lay
>    out for them are worthy of hearing our message.
> Nobody here said anything like that.  Nobody suggested that we should
> limit who can see our message, and nobody said that anyone is "not
> worthy" of it.
>    The people who think that all flavours of [GNU/Linux]
> He said "Linux", but he must mean the GNU/Linux system, since Linux
> itself has no user interfaces.  He's talking about my work and giving
> the credit to another.  See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.
> This error is widespread, so perhaps he said it from simple habit
> and didn't mean anything by it.
>      should be
>    difficult and not n00b friendly are a great example of this.
> Does anyone here believe that?
> --
> Dr Richard Stallman
> President, Free Software Foundation
> 51 Franklin St
> Boston MA 02110
> www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
> Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
>  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
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Jelena Jovanović
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