[pp.int.general] 'Liquid Democrazy': Pirate Party Sinks amid Chaos and Bickering

Antonio Garcia ningunotro at hotmail.com
Sun Feb 24 18:51:19 CET 2013

It is merely a statistical matter involving mass dynamics.

Of course, applied to the present conditions of the mass, and what they allow for and what not.

They know it as the antagonism between AltPiraten and NeuPiraten, the former activist core and the new and overwhelming in numbers and thus in decision power merely sociological mix. The former has lost majority, the latter are not formed enough to do something sound with theirs... so stupid things happen no democracy knows how to avoid.

Once you get in such a trap... it is very hard, nearly impossible, to get out without external interference.

And of course, the mass media, serving their estalished masters, knew far too well how to exploit al weaknesses to drag PP-DE through the mud at the right moment, for this defeat in Lower Saxony was the best propaganda possible to ruin them for the Federal Elections in september.

And... they knew that in defeating the German PP... they would be doing best to defuse us all.

We should be working much more as a global team.



> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:11:16 +0100
> From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] 'Liquid Democrazy': Pirate Party Sinks amid Chaos and Bickering
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Francisco George
> <francisco.george at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Let us face the truth...we are all affected by the same virus!
> >
> >
> > https://twitter.com/SalernoMax/statuses/305344760963543040
> >
> > http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-pirate-party-sinks-amid-chaos-and-bickering-a-884533.html
> It is kind of awkward to publicly discuss the German Pirate Party -
> but I actually also wanted to post this link - it is a very important
> thing.
> My comments:
> 1. We are all perhaps too much amateur - maybe we should read a bit
> more about theory of politics, study etc., maybe growing too fast
> deprives us the training that we get with a slower growth.
> 2. Maybe we are really trying something impossible by fighting the
> 'iron law of oligarchy':
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy - maybe we should
> accept it as a reality, analyze it and try to make it a smaller effect
> it instead of trying to have politics completely democratic.
> 3. The German Pirate Party had a huge success - so a little retraction
> is only a healthy sign.
> 4. Finally I always had the feeling that the PPDE was kind of too populist.
> Cheers,
> Zbigniew
> --
> Zbigniew Lukasiak
> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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