[pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two projects

[Antonio Garcia]

>From the EFF Obituary:

"Aaron's eloquent brilliance was mixed with a complicated introversion. He communicated on his own schedule and needed a lot of space to himself, which frustrated some of his collaborators. He was fascinated by the social world around him, but often found it torturous to deal with.

For a long time, Aaron was more comfortable reading books than talking to humans (he once told me something like, "even talking to very smart people is hard, but if I just sit down and read their books, I get their most considered and insightful thoughts condensed in a beautiful and efficient form. I can learn from books faster than I can from talking to the authors."). His passion for the written word, for open knowledge, and his flair for self-promotion, sometimes produced spectacular results, even before the events that proved to be his undoing."

Maybe not a "no one understands me", but perhaps a ... "they are not smart enough to be of any help and I can't do this alone" kind.


We Pirates play and have fun too much... and fuck up too many times... without looking back. Defaulting on what had to be done.

Look at the mess we made of PPI in Prague, and what we are doing to PPEU. Seriously, do we give the impression that we are a group somebody can turn to for SERIOUS help?


Antonio.


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> From: i at dario.im 
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:39:19 +0100 
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net 
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two projects 
>  
> From Lessig obituary:  
> http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/40347463044/prosecutor-as-bully 
>  
> Please don’t pathologize this story. 
>  
> No doubt it is a certain crazy that brings a person as loved as Aaron  
> was loved (and he was surrounded in NY by people who loved him) to do  
> what Aaron did. It angers me that he did what he did. But if we’re  
> going to learn from this, we can’t let slide what brought him here. 
>  
> Sincerely, this doesn't look as a "no one understand me" suicide. I ask  
> everybody to skip theorizing and to do something useful as Patrick  
> started. 
>  
> Patrick, if I can help, count me on board. I can setup a WP or a static  
> site for http://live-long-and-prosper.org in my personal server or  
> wherever, if you want. 
>  
>  
> 2013/1/12 roberto aka robske  
> <evilteddyxl at gmail.com<mailto:evilteddyxl at gmail.com>> 
>  
> I think this is not purely related to the internet, but to a certain  
> type of personality. Just look at history and see how many very  
> talented people committed suicide. Its higher than average. 
>  
> I think antonio hits it spot on. These people are often not understood  
> by society, which results in social isolation. And many people can not  
> handle social isolation. This is a pattern not just related to the  
> internet or the last years. 
>  
> - robske/kristi 
>  
> Op 12 jan. 2013 19:42 schreef "Antonio Garcia"  
> <ningunotro at hotmail.com<mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>> het volgende: 
>  
> Maybe because there is nobody to get help from... 
>  
> ... once you get tired of not being understood by your peers... they  
> are part of the problem, not people with a possible solution. 
>  
>  
> The stigmatizing issue... if for those that stay behind. Those that  
> commit suicide have nothing more to worry about. 
>  
> The only solution is being aware ourselves, and being something of a  
> hope when some is needed. 
>  
>  
> Antonio. 
>  
> ________________________________ 
>  > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:32:47 +0100 
>  > From: jelena.the.one at gmail.com<mailto:jelena.the.one at gmail.com> 
>  > To:  
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net<mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net> 
>  > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two projects 
>  > 
>  > I just don't understand why people don't seek for help instead, but 
>  > really. Depression is light disorder and it can be easily kept 
>  > controlled. 
>  > We have minister of defense here who has much much worse/ more serious 
>  > diagnose, but it didn't stop him to become prime minister also! And ofc 
>  > this information is still on a rumor level /though I am convinced 
>  > public should know about it, sorry for off-topic/. 
>  > 
>  > Maybe the problem is in stigmatizing these people? 
>  > 
>  > Campaign is good thing.  I would love to see it everywhere. Ofc people 
>  > suffer but we have to use this all connected world to increase 
>  > awareness that they are not alone. 
>  > 
>  > JJ 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Patrick Maechler v/o Valio 
>  >  
> <pirate at valio.ch<mailto:pirate at valio.ch><mailto:pirate at valio.ch<mailto:pirate at valio.ch>>>  
> wrote: 
>  > suicide prevention policies 
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