[pp.int.general] Who is running this LQFB?

Fri Jan 18 13:14:28 CET 2013

Dear Andrew
ever heard of "walk your talk" principle?  I personally like your passion
and  I very appreciate people who are burning to change the world and I see
it in you,  if you would just tune it a bit for tje sake of all of us
involved..

It's just...let us not keep in constantly defensive / explanatory mode if
there is* no real need for it. *
PP GA - please drop itt.* No one from US and AU applied. *And I am sorry
for that. Kazan is the only non  EU place that GA can be held and I wonder
how many of us will be there. I hope soon enough GA will be held in
Atlanta.

I am not saying "the group is bitter". There's nothing more inspiring and
rewarding for me then to work and have fun with activists  with Pirates.I
And  personally hate to see people giving up Pirates!
I wonder if there are some journos in this /public) list and if they read
it what would they think.,,,*PPI is not joke.* Nor ir supposed to be. It's
small team with only 1 year of mandate that works with all their capacity
on common goals and issues. So let's be a little bit more positive towards
communication on list where there are, so far, 49 pirate parties across the
world.

Love ya all

JJ

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrew - could you please start new threads to discuss all the things?
>  When you dump all your grieving in one lump the discussion becomes
> polarized us versus them.  Split it into concrete problems - and lets
> have discussion about the problems - not about people.
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 1/17/2013 7:47 PM, Jelena Jovanovic wrote:
> >> With all due respect to your concerns regarding PPI board, allow me to
> >> say that this emailing make no sense, or makes only occasionally.  Which
> >> I really regret because I firmly believe nobody deserves it in any PP
> >> nor PPI.
> >
> > I will admit his email didn't make any sense.
> > It's far more realisitc that a non-binding LQFB would be used as a
> > bellwether.
> > Plus, you can like the bits you like, and say 'democracy', ignore the
> > bits you dont ('non-binding!') and continually point to it as
> > 'transparency, participation and integration'.
> >
> > Also known as standard political distraction. "Ooh look, we have a
> > discussion forum/petition site! We clearly care!"
> >
> >>
> >> I would like to outline one thing only:  people who were standing for
> >> PPI board on GA 2012 and were not elected, together with people who are
> >> not ready to go to any GA which would be held outside their continent
> >> are bashing out PPI board on this list.
> >
> > so your argument was "This group is bitter, so their arguments don't
> > count, and this lot I don't know why they're complaining it's not like
> > they're complaining because the choice that benefits them didn't win.
> > How strange that take issue on principle, and not on personal gain"
> >
> > As I said when you asked me about it a few days ago, I refuse to fly, AT
> > ALL. Until the TSA is gone. That is not just 'on this continent', it's
> > basically "anywhere that's not within 500km of Atlanta" that I wouldn't
> > go to. It's called PRINCIPLES. If I submit to a government search
> > without probable cause, for a reason that is more about control and fear
> > than any evidential reason; to go to a conference where one of the
> > underpinnings is about how bad that is, AND THERE IS ANOTHER WAY, then
> > submitting to the search seems unwarranted.
> >
> > Nor, as I said at the time, am I alone, or just speaking for myself.
> > To characterize us thusly is disingenuous. Why do I think this will only
> > sink in when parties start quitting PPI? Is that when the Jobs-ian
> > reality distortion field will show some cracks? We can only see, as I
> > predict the first party quitting will be in the next few months, unless
> > something changes.
> > Didn't I hear somewhere that Tunisia declined to join PPI, joining the
> > african pirate party instead?
> >
> >>
> >> I would like to appeal to your rational behavior and to see some
> >> productive discussion*with proposals of what should be don*e instead of
> >> what's being done, or besides what's wrong with previous things board
> >> members were working on.
> >>
> >> This way I see only negativity and discussion for the purpose of itself.
> >
> > Maybe you're in the wrong party then? Part of politics is discussion for
> > the sake of discussion, in order to examine new ways to do things. When
> > you're afraid of discussion, you're insecure of your position.
> >
> >>
> >> We're trying to keep the PPI board without COA in care
> >> & maintenance mode until next GA where new COA will be elected. Please
> >> include your proposals so the discussion can start to make some sense,
> >> and pls stay away from /ad hominem/ attacks.
> >
> > So, by your decision, a body that was formed to create some oversight of
> > the board, and deal with issues, you've decided to keep empty.
> >
> > Is that an official statement of the board? Actually, in the name of
> > transparency, why don't the Board present an official statement on the
> > CoA, including what happened, it's present state, and your intentions? I
> > mean it's only been 4 months, it's not like it's something required by
> > the statutes, or providing accountability, or anything IMPORTANT like
> that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Jelena
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM, StreetDogg <streetdogg at gmx.net
> >> <mailto:streetdogg at gmx.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Am 17.01.2013 14:50, schrieb Nuno Cardoso:
> >>
> >>         And if an issue to kill the association of LQFB with a PPI
> >>         domain URL is
> >>         what it takes to make LQFB haters use it, so be it, the irony
> >>         will be as
> >>         poetic and epic as ye olde tales of pirate adventures! Arrr!!!
> ;D
> >>
> >>
> >>     Yeah, right. Implement your own decision making process and demand
> >>     this process to be used to get rid of it again. Makes perfect sense.
> >>     Not.
> >>
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