[pp.int.general] Who is running this LQFB?

Fri Jan 18 13:48:46 CET 2013

+1, bringing in the human perspective.

Boy, do I hate politics  :p
mrNatural
On Jan 18, 2013 1:14 p.m., "Jelena Jovanovic" <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Andrew
> ever heard of "walk your talk" principle?  I personally like your passion
> and  I very appreciate people who are burning to change the world and I see
> it in you,  if you would just tune it a bit for tje sake of all of us
> involved..
>
> It's just...let us not keep in constantly defensive / explanatory mode if
> there is* no real need for it. *
> PP GA - please drop itt.* No one from US and AU applied. *And I am sorry
> for that. Kazan is the only non  EU place that GA can be held and I wonder
> how many of us will be there. I hope soon enough GA will be held in
> Atlanta.
>
> I am not saying "the group is bitter". There's nothing more inspiring and
> rewarding for me then to work and have fun with activists  with Pirates.I
> And  personally hate to see people giving up Pirates!
> I wonder if there are some journos in this /public) list and if they read
> it what would they think.,,,*PPI is not joke.* Nor ir supposed to be.
> It's small team with only 1 year of mandate that works with all their
> capacity on common goals and issues. So let's be a little bit more positive
> towards communication on list where there are, so far, 49 pirate parties
> across the world.
>
>
> Love ya all
>
> JJ
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Andrew - could you please start new threads to discuss all the things?
>>  When you dump all your grieving in one lump the discussion becomes
>> polarized us versus them.  Split it into concrete problems - and lets
>> have discussion about the problems - not about people.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > On 1/17/2013 7:47 PM, Jelena Jovanovic wrote:
>> >> With all due respect to your concerns regarding PPI board, allow me to
>> >> say that this emailing make no sense, or makes only occasionally.
>>  Which
>> >> I really regret because I firmly believe nobody deserves it in any PP
>> >> nor PPI.
>> >
>> > I will admit his email didn't make any sense.
>> > It's far more realisitc that a non-binding LQFB would be used as a
>> > bellwether.
>> > Plus, you can like the bits you like, and say 'democracy', ignore the
>> > bits you dont ('non-binding!') and continually point to it as
>> > 'transparency, participation and integration'.
>> >
>> > Also known as standard political distraction. "Ooh look, we have a
>> > discussion forum/petition site! We clearly care!"
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I would like to outline one thing only:  people who were standing for
>> >> PPI board on GA 2012 and were not elected, together with people who are
>> >> not ready to go to any GA which would be held outside their continent
>> >> are bashing out PPI board on this list.
>> >
>> > so your argument was "This group is bitter, so their arguments don't
>> > count, and this lot I don't know why they're complaining it's not like
>> > they're complaining because the choice that benefits them didn't win.
>> > How strange that take issue on principle, and not on personal gain"
>> >
>> > As I said when you asked me about it a few days ago, I refuse to fly, AT
>> > ALL. Until the TSA is gone. That is not just 'on this continent', it's
>> > basically "anywhere that's not within 500km of Atlanta" that I wouldn't
>> > go to. It's called PRINCIPLES. If I submit to a government search
>> > without probable cause, for a reason that is more about control and fear
>> > than any evidential reason; to go to a conference where one of the
>> > underpinnings is about how bad that is, AND THERE IS ANOTHER WAY, then
>> > submitting to the search seems unwarranted.
>> >
>> > Nor, as I said at the time, am I alone, or just speaking for myself.
>> > To characterize us thusly is disingenuous. Why do I think this will only
>> > sink in when parties start quitting PPI? Is that when the Jobs-ian
>> > reality distortion field will show some cracks? We can only see, as I
>> > predict the first party quitting will be in the next few months, unless
>> > something changes.
>> > Didn't I hear somewhere that Tunisia declined to join PPI, joining the
>> > african pirate party instead?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I would like to appeal to your rational behavior and to see some
>> >> productive discussion*with proposals of what should be don*e instead of
>> >> what's being done, or besides what's wrong with previous things board
>> >> members were working on.
>> >>
>> >> This way I see only negativity and discussion for the purpose of
>> itself.
>> >
>> > Maybe you're in the wrong party then? Part of politics is discussion for
>> > the sake of discussion, in order to examine new ways to do things. When
>> > you're afraid of discussion, you're insecure of your position.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> We're trying to keep the PPI board without COA in care
>> >> & maintenance mode until next GA where new COA will be elected. Please
>> >> include your proposals so the discussion can start to make some sense,
>> >> and pls stay away from /ad hominem/ attacks.
>> >
>> > So, by your decision, a body that was formed to create some oversight of
>> > the board, and deal with issues, you've decided to keep empty.
>> >
>> > Is that an official statement of the board? Actually, in the name of
>> > transparency, why don't the Board present an official statement on the
>> > CoA, including what happened, it's present state, and your intentions? I
>> > mean it's only been 4 months, it's not like it's something required by
>> > the statutes, or providing accountability, or anything IMPORTANT like
>> that.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Best
>> >> Jelena
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM, StreetDogg <streetdogg at gmx.net
>> >> <mailto:streetdogg at gmx.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     Am 17.01.2013 14:50, schrieb Nuno Cardoso:
>> >>
>> >>         And if an issue to kill the association of LQFB with a PPI
>> >>         domain URL is
>> >>         what it takes to make LQFB haters use it, so be it, the irony
>> >>         will be as
>> >>         poetic and epic as ye olde tales of pirate adventures! Arrr!!!
>> ;D
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Yeah, right. Implement your own decision making process and demand
>> >>     this process to be used to get rid of it again. Makes perfect
>> sense.
>> >>     Not.
>> >>
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