[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Tom Behets]

Thrasos: stay ontopic please?
On 12 Jul 2013 19:05, "Thrasos Nerantzis" <thrasos at gnosysoft.com> wrote:

> It's  a core issue, especially for the countries of southern europe.
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> I think the minimum basic income is important, especially in
> industrialized countries where bosses tend to come together on agreements,
> so that they can bring down salaries and increase margins.
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> I don't think we should be debating the minimum basic salary, because by
> definition it's there to defend the lower classes of labour,
>  instead we should be introducing a "maximum income", to avoid repeating
> what we've all witnessed with the banking sector.
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> Perhaps a "maximum income" along with decision transparency might help
> reduce the chances of wealth over-accumulation and poverty.
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> Whats your take on this?
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> Thrasos Nerantzis
> www.thrasos.net
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> On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Tom Behets <behets at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Some days ago, a non pirate told me her idea of the Pirate party.
> She said pirate party is constantly co-opted by all sorts of leftist
> interest groups to push their agenda.
> I feel the same.
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> We should stick to our core issues.
> If you aim for everything, you get nothing...
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> Tom
> On 12 Jul 2013 15:26, "Zbigniew Łukasiak" <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program.  Do
>> you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or is it
>> just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?
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>> Do you think it is leftist?
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>> Personally I support Basic Income.  It might be viewed as slightly
>> leftist - but if it is introduced together with a linear taxation
>> scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits - then it is not
>> leftist at all.  For me the most important aspect of this whole
>> package is that it makes governance simpler.  Taxation is decoupled
>> and can be payed independently for all income sources and the state is
>> not forced to do things that depend too much on personal circumstances
>> (like checking if the person is really unemployed and if he really
>> tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in these - people quickly
>> learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing.  But state is good for
>> universal services - like paying everyone the same amount.  So let the
>> state do what it is good at and let other, smaller organizations do
>> other things.
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>> There are of course many other benefits as well - but this is what
>> moves me personally.
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>> Zbigniew Lukasiak
>> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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