[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Davidd van Deijk]

On 07/12/13 16:39, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Betiel <betielix at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What`s the matter if it is leftist or not? The question must be if it will
>> be usefull and solve people problems or not. Or if basic incomes should be
>> addressed by pirates parties or not. If you see it as a kind of human right
>> I believe is a valid pirate topic.
>>
>> In Argentina we actually have basic income by law. It would be crazy to try
>> to change that, except perhaps to ask for a change in the mount due to
>> inflation, so we really do not have discussions about it.
> 
> Hmm - I am not sure if we are talking about the same thing - I have
> not heard about any country implementing the 'unconditional basic
> income' - or in other words 'citizen salary'.
> 
> Z.
> 
> 

Alaska and some of the middle east oil countries have basic income,
'citizen salary'

Iirc alaska is about $100 a month you receive for just living in the
state. And you dont have to pay state taxes.

>> Personally I believe having a basic income helps to avoid abuses from some
>> unethical companies.
>>
>>
>> 2013/7/12 Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program.  Do
>>> you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or is it
>>> just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?
>>>
>>> Do you think it is leftist?
>>>
>>> Personally I support Basic Income.  It might be viewed as slightly
>>> leftist - but if it is introduced together with a linear taxation
>>> scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits - then it is not
>>> leftist at all.  For me the most important aspect of this whole
>>> package is that it makes governance simpler.  Taxation is decoupled
>>> and can be payed independently for all income sources and the state is
>>> not forced to do things that depend too much on personal circumstances
>>> (like checking if the person is really unemployed and if he really
>>> tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in these - people quickly
>>> learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing.  But state is good for
>>> universal services - like paying everyone the same amount.  So let the
>>> state do what it is good at and let other, smaller organizations do
>>> other things.
>>>
>>> There are of course many other benefits as well - but this is what
>>> moves me personally.
>>>
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