[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Daniel Riaño]

Sorry to disagree, but I don't think PP-ES has any position on the subject,
certainly not one that has ever been subject to informed debate or
resolution by any representative body.

But this is certainly a very interesting subject, both from the
philosophical and the practical sides. As of the latter, I don't know of
any study of whether a universal basic income is economically feasible in
Spain (it is always a good point to estimate economical viability of such
big projects before trying it) or in Europe. But the philosophical
questions are probably even more worthy of consideration within the pirate
framework to test what kind of anthropology is ours.

Daniel

2013/7/13 Francisco George <francisco.george at gmail.com>

> The PP-ES stands in favour of Basic Income.
>
> Actually there are already states that have BI implented.
>
> Alaska
> Some Arab emirates, but just for their nationals(emigrants are not
> included)
>
> 20 years ago a political party in Belgium started to defend this and got
> some hype.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivant
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/vivant/60132009232
> http://www.vivanteurope.org/?lang=en
>
> As he was founded by a Millionaire
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet in Belgium and due to
> their alliance with Liberals, they have been considered a Center-right
> movement,
>
> It is classified as "Progressive Liberalism" also known as "Social
> Liberalism" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_liberalism
>
> Roland Duchatelet, it's founder, was Belgian Senator from 2007 > 2011
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet
>
>
> The mixed(french/german) public tv has a special dossier about it
> http://future.arte.tv/fr/sujet/le-revenu-de-base-promesse-dun-avenir-meilleur (sorry
> just available in German or French)
>
>
> 2013/7/13 <illunatic at greenpirate.org>
>
> Kind of have to agree with that as I recently cut back to two days at my
>> current job because I need more time available to do other things which pay
>> more. They job was more than minimum wage, but not enough to fit my lavish
>> lifestyle (sarcasm).
>>
>> Quoting Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:
>>
>>  Oh, yeah! Instead of being 50 units short to get to the end of the
>>> month, people would prefer to have nothing at all. Might be an option for
>>> people that do not accumulate fixed cost in their aim of running their
>>> life, like mortgages and such.
>>>
>>> I love intelligent comment and cheer it when I see some ;) .
>>>
>>>
>>>  From: me at travismccrea.com
>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:40:15 -0400
>>>> To: pp.international.general@**lists.pirateweb.net<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the
>>>> pirate ideology?
>>>>
>>>> I have never heard of this argument? in reality it has no basis. If a
>>>> company was paying you less than basic income, you would just not take the
>>>> job, or you could quit the job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-07-12, at 10:06 AM, Cal. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 12 July 2013 15:38, Betiel <betielix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Personally I believe having a basic income helps to avoid abuses
>>>> from some
>>>> >> unethical companies.
>>>> >
>>>> > It depends. A common leftist objection on basic income is that it
>>>> > enables "unethical evil company" to offer jobs for very very very low
>>>> > wages.
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